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#1294
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Are we playing for money? I don't think so. We're playing for ourselves, and the process is more important than the result. And playing solely for the result doesn't lead to anything good. You don't even have to look far for an example of this – Jack clearly demonstrated it on the last day.
This is a game. You can talk to your friends at another time. Playing based on likes and dislikes, without relying on anything else, is not creating a gameplay experience. It's subjectivism without working as a team.
And some people just don't know how to play strategically to win.
Otherwise, you're just lounging around like a sloth on a branch and dozing off!
Yes, rest is always a good thing.
But I believe that the game is created by those who play it. And if you do it the way you suggest, it will essentially be a game with passives. What will they create? No need to answer.
I'll answer. You're right about that. And the real competition lies in this. When each person's mind is not clouded by personal feelings. When analysis and calculation come into play, when justifications are sought for intuition, when psychology is used. That's a real confrontation.
Yes, I'm idealizing. But I've already participated in similar games, and it was really great. In those moments, the game truly becomes a game.
b) a game focused on role-playing. But you have to put in a lot of effort.
I agree. But such a game is not always worth the effort. Especially when playing with clues. Game 32 is an example. Pure role-playing.
I don't see the point in suppressing emotions. I played very emotionally, and people praised me.
But the point is not to eliminate the person who annoys you in the game, who puts pressure on you, etc., but the person who will benefit your team. To give your team an advantage.
And yes, as you said, this is a game! So why the hell should I pretend to be a smart guy here (some dry, restrained person who objectively assesses the situation), especially if I'm not one!
You don't have to pretend, just act intelligently. Isn't that simple?
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#1295
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Don't get mad at Jack! You could at least try to play support once in your life, get wrecked, and then return to your usual role after five players have already established their roles and understand each other. x)
After all, we all know that you need to play support!
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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#1296
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Well, overall, I agree with you. Except for "one's judgment isn't clouded by personal feelings." Everything is good in moderation, after all. I tried to do it thoughtfully. It didn't always work out. It's just not very easy for me. But it's enjoyable.

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Молодое зло телами в масле
Застилает взор багровый зной
Если хочешь ты чтоб я был счастлив
Наизнанку вывернись со мной
Бахромою плоть дурная драма
До рассвета нервы в решето
Валидола вмажь по вене мама
За моё счастливое ничто
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#1297
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Morning
Don't get mad at Jack! Maybe you could just put in some effort once in your life, get subbed out, and then come back when there are only five players left, and everyone knows each other's roles. )
After all, we all know that you have to play for the sub!
Now things are going to get really bad....

Oh, why are you criticizing the emotions and the sympathy? It adds a unique flavor to the game and makes it more interesting! I enjoyed subbing out Jack, I REALLY enjoyed it! And what about the constant arguments between Arandor and Hos, Koshey and Jack? And when I got banned, that was great too, it was fun! We could also add a couple in love who help each other out and all that.
Что такое осень - это небо
Плачущее небо под ногами
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#1298
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Morning
Don't get mad at Jack! Maybe you could at least try to help him out once in your life, let him take a break and come back as a substitute after five players are left, and their roles are clear to each other. )
After all, we all know that you have to play to win!
So, you're a sadist too! Just a little more, and the guy will completely lose his taste for victory.

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And you guys almost killed Ruddy on the second night. Did you have any suspicions?
Please don't forget about this question. Vistrit, if you happen to be around, explain the situation.
Winner

Regarding the witch visiting Ruddy: I considered him a witch on the sixth day because she can heal herself :D. No, really, Ruddy didn't give me any reason to suspect him.
I thought about pretending to be the witch, but then everyone would have killed Lynx. Which, again, would have led to my defeat. And it was more fun to tease Jack. He's active, after all. I was hoping for a dialogue.

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Молодое зло телами в масле
Застилает взор багровый зной
Если хочешь ты чтоб я был счастлив
Наизнанку вывернись со мной
Бахромою плоть дурная драма
До рассвета нервы в решето
Валидола вмажь по вене мама
За моё счастливое ничто
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#1299
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Besides, "one's mind shouldn't be clouded by personal feelings." After all, everything is good in moderation.
I have encountered situations more than once where, due to aggressive gameplay, pressure, the desire to eliminate someone, or even just a friend's role in a psychological Mafia game, people got offended and acted upset. And... I don't understand it. It's just a game. I'm just deceiving, betraying, and killing in the game! For me, such displays of "personal feelings" are a huge absurdity. Even more so than actions like, "I'm upset because of him, so I'm going to kill him."
I tried to do things intelligently. It didn't always work out. It's not very easy for me, after all. But it's enjoyable.
Why am I pushing everyone around so much? I want everyone to play intelligently.
Why am I bored? Because it's very rare to encounter a situation where there's a real challenge, where you need to overcome something, and the outcome depends more on thoughts and actions during the day in the game, rather than on random events. Something similar happened during the attempted execution, which was actually quite good.
When the game is played haphazardly, depending on random events and other conclusions based on inactivity, everything becomes gray and depressing after a while. That's why I don't play every Mafia game. And, without criticizing Ment, I wouldn't have played this one if it weren't for the immunity
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#1300
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That's not true; Jackie and I don't argue constantly, only occasionally.
А, вот почему.

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#1301
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Xostor
I have encountered situations many times where, due to bold play, pressure, the desire to kill, and even just a friend's role in psychological Mafia, people got offended and all that. And... I don't understand it. It's a game. I only deceive, betray, and kill in the game! For me, such displays of "personal" feelings are a huge stupidity. Even more so than actions like "I'm upset because of him, I'm going to kill him."
We are talking about different things. I agree with your reasoning. Getting offended is stupid. In general, I won't bore you. I want to sleep.
Xostor

Why am I constantly pushing everyone around here? I want everyone to play smart.
Why am I bored? Because it is very rare to encounter a situation where there is a real challenge, where you need to overcome, and the outcome depends more on thoughts and actions during the day in the thread, rather than on random events. Something similar happened during the attempt to execute someone, which was generally not bad.
When the game goes haphazardly, depends on random events and other conclusions based on inactivity, everything becomes gray and depressing after a while. That's why I don't play every Mafia game. And, without criticizing Ment, I wouldn't have played this one if it weren't for the immunity.
Everything is in your hands. You could have tried to bring the game to a level where reasoning would play a big role. But you didn't do that. In general, I understood your idea. But I didn't notice your efforts to implement it. In this game. You really played well in the psychological aspect. And I haven't seen you anywhere else with such a detailed analysis.

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Молодое зло телами в масле
Застилает взор багровый зной
Если хочешь ты чтоб я был счастлив
Наизнанку вывернись со мной
Бахромою плоть дурная драма
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Валидола вмажь по вене мама
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#1302
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Drakkosha
That's not true; Jackie and I don't argue constantly, only periodically.
But there's a certain charm to it!
Что такое осень - это небо
Плачущее небо под ногами
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#1303
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This is a game, after all. You can chat with friends at another time. Playing based solely on likes and dislikes, without any other foundation, isn't creating a gameplay experience. It's subjectivism without teamwork.
That's true. But I'm not talking about that. You're still considering extreme cases. And we have different approaches to what constitutes a good game. For you, it's a game in the style of Sherlock Holmes versus Professor Moriarty: sophisticated, with brilliant analysis and calculations. I, on the other hand, am interested in a dynamic process of reasoning, arguments, and debates, with arguments and analysis, but not so refined. More fun and lively, even if it might be a bit silly :) And, of course, without excessive shouting.
Okay, it's a matter of personal preference.
I've encountered situations many times where people got offended by my bold gameplay, pressure, desire to eliminate, or even just a friend revealing their role in a psychological mafia game. And... I don't understand it. It's just a game. I'm only deceiving, betraying, and killing in the game! For me, such displays of "personal" feelings are incredibly foolish. Even more so than actions like "I'm upset because of him, so I'm going to kill him."
It's simply a difference in moral principles and norms.


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"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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#1304
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Sometimes, the desire to ignore personal relationships can backfire, leading to negative consequences. This applies not only to sympathy but also to antipathy, when you want to eliminate someone you don't particularly like, but don't do it, and then regret it.
It would be great to add a loving couple here, who support each other and all that.
I'm ready.

Be strong. Believe
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#1305
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I too.
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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#1306
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Did you come to my rescue?

Be strong. Believe
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#1307
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Of course! I couldn’t leave you alone!
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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#1308
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Let’s gang up on Lynx together.

Be strong. Believe