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Should reports from Katherine be taken into account for the season ranking?
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voters
Multiple choice
Public votes
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2012-04-26
This poll is closed.
Yes, I wouldn’t mind playing with Katherine
25.3%21 votes
Yes, but I won’t play with Katherine
20.5%17 votes
No, ignore reports
14.5%12 votes
We need to develop a system for rehabilitating cheaters
19.3%16 votes
Cheaters should be banned
27.7%23 votes
I don’t really care, but I like taking part in polls
16.9%14 votes
bRitvo4kA
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Where did your organizer and partner, Sam, disappear to?
A tournament without spectators really does resemble a gathering and entertainment for the players themselves, as someone already mentioned. To attract spectators, you need to interest them (e.g., with top players, a large number of participants, competitiveness, intrigue, etc.), and also provide opportunities to satisfy that interest by showing online streams and providing comprehensive coverage of the tournament. This is what I would like to wish the organizers.
P.S. If we're being picky about the name, a CIS tournament shouldn't include participants from Ukraine (as it's not part of the CIS).
By belittling one tournament, do you want to assert yourself in Yekaterinburg?
When you return from Crimea (and discover a fence that wasn't there), reread my post and point out where there is even a single word about belittling any tournament. Mee
I personally didn't violate the rules and played all the rounds.
Imagine, I once played three rounds... and even won one...(although there really wasn't any incentive to play after the frankly awful draw in the first round - by the way, the fact that we were paired with you in the first round was a direct violation of the rules - since the draw results were different). Mee
P.S. And Asm came as a spectator and didn't play in the tournament at all, how did he violate the rules?
Apparently, just by the fact of his arrival, he violated the rules... :smile26: Captain
We need new ideas... we need ORGANIZATION.
That's a good idea: please apply it to your poor brain and your crumbling consciousness... Captain
Vik and I strictly adhered to the rules.
Speak for yourself, sir, speak for yourself... In Crimea, it's your rules. bRitvo4kA
Where did your organizer-partner Sam disappear to?
Probably in slavery: considering that he leaves his passport as collateral, who knows with whom... Captain
Many people didn't go to Michurinsk (from Ukraine/Belarus) not because Nagan is bad, but because there was nothing much to do there anymore.
Here, Captain has answered for everyone again. Apparently (according to him), players from Ukraine and Belarus have nothing to do at the CIS Heroes tournament. It will be interesting to see the reaction from both sides. =Stinger=
Just don't confuse apples and oranges.
Lying and cheating are phenomena of the same nature. In both, the same brain centers are involved. And continuing your logic, brother, it turns out - what's the point of talking to a person caught in a lie? Why waste time on him, etc. Don't you see the direct analogy here? I'll give you a free lecture sometime: smile42:
Slavic brothers! Come! We are glad to see everyone (and Captain in particular)!
=Stinger=
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Merlin, isn't that your quote, "everyone lies"? Does that mean that whatever everyone does is considered acceptable? But not everyone cheats. I already know that you're a truth-teller; I've heard enough of your lectures, thanks.
If everyone does it, is it considered acceptable, or what?
So, if everyone starts cheating tomorrow, will you start too? Does that mean that a societal vice is no longer a vice? That's a very convenient position... "Everyone's running, so I'll run too..." (from "Gentlemen of Fortune")
The task of an organizer is not to meet, feed, and wipe the noses of grown men/women... but to ORGANIZE a tournament.
A tournament is an event that includes many components, including the games themselves (the tournament), and the organizer's task is to organize EVERYTHING and help as many people as possible.
But the most important thing for any tournament is PEOPLE, both as spectators and as players; they are the most important, they are the foundation of any tournament!
iDD
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According to Captain, the organizer's task is to announce the tournament (loudly and in all media outlets), and then they can simply ignore everything and loudly shout for 3 years afterward, "I ORGANIZED THE TOURNAMENT")).
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The tournament has been announced, everything is accepted...
A link, hard labor, prison...
But preferably in July,
and preferably in Crimea...
(c) your Captain
According to Captain's logic, the organizer's task is to announce the tournament (loudly and in all media), and then they can simply ignore everything and loudly shout for 3 years, "I ORGANIZED THE TOURNAMENT!"
We shouldn't forget how Navukh handled the qualifiers (ignoring the opinions of the organizers) in Moscow and Michurinsk before the CIS final, bringing Vitalik, who was actually in 5th place, into the top spots, and threatening to beat up Alex if he came, scaring him with his hand-to-hand combat skills. A true organizational talent!
zoog
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I'm in favor of an individual approach to the topic – how sincerely a person repents/wants to redeem themselves (this already indicates the presence of a concept of honesty – you'll laugh, but not everyone has it, and it may not match yours/the generally accepted one). For example, if, during the process of exposing a cheater, they accused others of unfair play, that's a completely different matter. Considering reports – you can take them into account, but only to a certain extent. The player in question probably isn't playing for the ranking, but it might be useful for their opponent.
IMHO, everyone liked the Kyiv tournament, except for the poker enthusiasts from Yekaterinburg, who came not to play Heroes, but to play poker and sleep until noon, violating the tournament regulations.[/QUOTE]
I personally liked the tournament :D There were some minor drawbacks, but overall everything went well. The impressions of the city and the communication were among the most vivid I've experienced. So I would come to Kyiv again to get to know the city better.
We shouldn't forget how Navukh handled the qualifiers (ignoring the organizers' opinions) in Moscow and Michurinsk before the CIS final, rigging the results to push Vitalik, who was actually in 5th place, into the prize-winning positions. And he threatened to beat up Alex if he came, intimidating him with his hand-to-hand combat skills. A true organizational talent!
Yes, I am like that; I could have spat too. :) Vitalik was competing in Moscow, where the strongest players were in the qualifier, a real group of death. And he finished in 5th place, along with two others... or rather, three people tied for 3rd-5th place. And all the others couldn't make it. And many people thanked me for what I said about the great Alex; he was really annoying everyone on the forum with his swearing and excessive arrogance... And it was all just words... I also only used words. ;) But Alex let us down twice with the Chinese players (because of him, we had a draw).
P.S. The topic has strayed from cheaters, but I think everyone is enjoying it. :)
P.P.S. Thank you, Alona, Mee, and Merlin, for your words. I really want to come to Yekaterinburg, but when my little ones are older... to go rafting on boats. :p
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
In my opinion, the Kyiv tournament was enjoyed by everyone except the poker enthusiasts from Yekaterinburg, who came not to play Heroes, but to play poker and sleep until noon, violating the tournament regulations.
I personally enjoyed the tournament :D There were some minor drawbacks, but overall everything went well. The impressions of the city and the communication were among the most vivid experiences I've had. So I would come to Kyiv again to get to know the city better)))+1 I also liked everything. Overall, the Captain still solved all the problems: he arranged accommodation and organized the tournament. There were some minor issues, but nothing critical. But there are a lot of good memories. One funny story about how Sam Stinger and Co. were settling in... "Tatyana?!"... still makes me smile.
Overall, Captain still managed to solve all the problems: he settled everyone and organized the tournament.
Are you still not sober, poor thing?..:smile52:Captain
I also only had words, by the way ;)
Finally, he confessed! :smile42:
Pit for LM
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PReDS
Yesterday I played a fun Jebus Cross game on WT with Katherine (and this scourge has reached her too :mad:, almost as bad as cheating :( ). I still don't understand: should I write a report or not, and if I do, where to send it, whether to post the saves, and so on?
If you want, write a report for the season. Judging by the intermediate results (they are unlikely to change much), I will take reports into account. Attach the saves to the report; maybe someone will be interested in seeing the true skill level of Katherine.PReDS
... continuing the topic, I propose banning irresponsible hosts...
We ban people for violating forum rules. And it's strange: abandoning a tournament and flaking on several dozen players doesn't seem to break the forum rules... It could be added to the Black List, though.scorp
...1) streaming the entire desktop (doesn't provide protection, but it's more for rehabilitation)
Well, we had such a streamer quite recently...scorp
2) create a thread: "DARK Reports", after 30-50(???) reports, maybe she herself will start to despise cheaters and play fair
Mish, I don't want to deal with something like that, it's completely uninteresting to me. And I doubt anyone would want to moderate such a thread.Exit
especially since Pit himself said that catching clones is problematic
Yeah, problematic in terms of time investment. Hundreds of players, mostly beginners, play in the season. But when some completely unknown beginner suddenly starts showing high results, it's usually either an experienced player from another forum, someone's clone, or a cheater... In that case, you inevitably have to dig into IPs. But it's hard to build a reputation with clones.Captain
Vitalik was then coming from Moscow, where the strongest players were in the qualifier, a real group of death. And he took fifth place there, along with two others... or to be precise, three people placed 3rd-5th.
You're slightly mistaken. Three people scored 3 points and took 2nd-4th place. And vitalic firmly took 5th place alone:StickyFingaz
