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#437
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When it comes to listening, everyone suddenly becomes an expert, but when it comes to playing, there are no reports from those who actually write about it.
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For discussion purposes – here’s an example: /topic/at/534023/
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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Klaviushwm
At the start, there are 3 options for choosing a hero:
1) Octavia because of the 350 coins per day
2) Ignat because of the imps; build a Golem and go to defeat small mobs
3) Rashka, ifrits.
Octavia – only at 200%. And you still have to survive until you get the ifrits…
Marmot
For discussion purposes – an example:
/topic/at/534023/
Where did you play / with whom did you play?
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#440
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A couple of months ago, I played a game on a small map as Inferno against Castle. I started in the underground, but I got a good starting position; one secondary town was near a free guard post, and my opponent didn't have a quick way to reach it. We only met on day 142. I started with Marius, but then I got Brissa, so I decided to switch to her, even though my main hero was already level 5. My opponent wasn't weak, meaning he could easily reach town 131 with a group of archers and deal significant damage. But in this game, I was the favorite, so he waited, ran around the treasures, and so on. Not for long, though. :-)

In terms of buildings, I went for fast imps (gogs were already built) and started upgrading two spells for demonology. And that's when my fairy tale began. Surprisingly, on the surface, I found my own secondary town with a pit guard (my opponent also had one), but it was a bit late, around day 123. On day 121, I bought everything from the pit guard and didn't upgrade any goats. By day 131, I had over 30 pit fiends, and with them and other creatures, I went to the treasure. The treasure gave me two chests with creatures; one had 60 snakes, and the other had 30 snakes (it was a swamp treasure, but the scout was leveled up, which turned out to be great). From this, I made additional goats. As a result, on day 141, I bought everything and went to the main town with 230 goats. I can't say that I was particularly lucky; the guards were strong, and the passage to the secondary town was 78 (!) gnomes, which I even lost to once. Usually, there are smaller hordes, but I tried to break through on the first week. It was difficult, to say the least. For an Inferno start, it's terrible. You need to take Ignatus and upgrade imps on the first week; the total speed becomes 9, and almost no other infantry has that speed. But it's hard to choose; Ignatus is weak, sometimes you can't find a folder, it would be better to have a mage, of course, Brissa saved me with her mass haste, and the goats ran almost all over the map. Skeletons would be more pleasant. The pros and cons are listed above, but if you get a Necromancer, level him up. It's better to have heroes like Izra or Galtaran, of course, but sometimes even Clavius is enough because of his offense, which doesn't hinder skeletons, plus he has a high chance of getting logistics. Here, it's not so much about which town you play as it is about your ability to play in general. But I agree that, under equal conditions (and hoping for chests with snakes is at least foolish), this castle loses even to the Tower, let alone others. P.S. Fixes are a separate story; you need to study them first and then play, and not the other way around. I used to be into it, but now if I play, it's in some old, good campaign like Eternal Love
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Vaflya, try playing as Pyrrhus; with logistics and artillery, he provides a good starting advantage. And when Efreet appear, you can take Ksarfax as your starting hero; I think the Efreet will really need some morale boost.
Любитель города Инферно.:smile12:
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This epic moment, when a Capitol builder teaches an online player how to play, even though the online player lost with 78 Gnomes, feels a bit unserious...
P.S. But I still took a screenshot of this moment...))
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this castle loses even to the Tower
-100500, the Tower has a good start due to its initial ranged units (and even then, it takes a day of construction), but then the Tower struggles if no Nagas are built, and they often aren't built because the mages are too expensive to construct, and the Hive simply has nothing to break them with, not to mention their defense...
But with Inferno, on the other hand, the start is difficult, but then you need to build Demons, and 100 Demons in the second or third week is already a very serious argument... so you need to know how to play this castle, because it's even more complex than the Swamp...
"Никто не уходит из героев вечно", - убедился на личном опыте, гоняю в сингле до сих пор :D
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hunter98

P.S. But I still took a screenshot of this moment...))

Oh, you little troll :D
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Klaviushwm
Vaflya, try playing Pyrrhus, with logistics and artillery she'll provide a good start. And when efreets appear, you can take the starting hero Xarfax, I think with efreets morale will be very useful ;)

I often take Pyrrhus as a main hero if available, a good hero.
hunter98
That epic moment when a capitol builder teaches an online player how to play, though losing to 78 dwarves online is somehow not serious...
I don't build income over a thousand, usually, if you ask me :-)

Losing to 78 dwarves is more than possible, oddly enough
the army wasn't bad, so they were placed in 4 stacks + one upgraded. There was nothing to shoot with at all, even Pyrrhus with a ballista would have made a difference, God willing, for 10-15 dwarves, and there were three more stacks.
I was dealing with retaliations, all tactfully, in the end I killed about 30 dwarves without losses (no ballista). Dwarves on native soil. And then, suddenly, an ordinary dwarf got lucky and just so happened to hit the devils, and I couldn't move them away on a morale turn. In the end, half my devils were fried and there was no chance left. That's how it is.

hunter98, as much as I've played Tower, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. With a good setup in week 1, you can take any dwarf dwelling up to 20, any crypt. If nagas don't appear, I usually build mages in the castle and look for money to fully buy out on 121. And afterwards with Nela you can upgrade golems and break Griffin Conservatories. Can't handle the maximum, of course, but three is more than realistic. But in any case, there's nothing left to fight with further. Minor Titans are utterly useless, no point in building them, and Titans on templates like SMKA or Balance simply aren't built. I'm not talking about various 8MM or Jebus, that's a different game with its own rules.
Compare 5-7 Mage units and 5-7 Devil units and add demonology, which makes level 1-4 creatures not useless.

So you figure, for Mages to find a bunch of Hives or Griffin Conservatories if very lucky (and Hives are oh so inconvenient to crack without significant losses due to speed). And Inferno usually starts in the Dungeon, which is even more inconvenient. On XL templates you can manage, on small ones - I won't take them for a serious game.

And what about Inferno... we find a Necromancer and level him up, in the end the inferiority is minimized. :-)
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Vaflya
Merging on 78 dwarves is more than possible, surprisingly enough.
The army was decent, so they stood in 4 stacks + one upgraded stack.
What difficulty level were you playing on?
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mrshch
What difficulty level were you playing on?
160%
Marius's hero, stats are around 2231, has a basic slow spell in his spellbook, and not much else.

Army: 78 Imps (upgraded), 11 Gogs, 4 Cyclops.

Single units, of course, all strategically placed.
Without morale, he might have been able to pull it off, but I think 78 Gogs is too many to guard a secondary location in week 1.

It's practically a Gnomish stronghold at level 15.
Although, defeating a Gnomish stronghold is easier).
#447
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it's interesting how to play at 200% efficiency without having anything, if you think logically, take a large map, 1 against 3 mobs, and play. They have a huge number of units, they build and build, and you have nothing. It smells like cheating:D

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I don't see anything in this game that would make some heroes worse than others. There are heroes with a specialization for a particular unit, there are heroes with magic and so on, so Inferno rules, even because it has city gates, and if someone attacks one, you can gather forces from all of them, and the enemy will regret it. That's what I did:D, but it's a pity for the demons, even their horns don't save them, at least give them an ability like fear, and the enemy will run back:D
#448
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People do play. And in this case, cheats are not necessary at all.
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I'm just surprised. If the computer is playing at its maximum, how will you build an army, and from whom? It seems the computer is superior; otherwise, if you think rationally, there's zero chance. Let's test it: two people, one gets everything, and the other gets nothing. I don't think the second person has even a thousandth of a chance.
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saef
I'm just surprised. If the computer is playing at its maximum, how will you build an army, and from whom? And when will it happen? It seems the computer is superior; otherwise, if you think rationally, there's zero chance. Let's test it: two people, one gets everything, and the other gets nothing. I don't think the second person has even a thousandth of a chance.

Or am I reading it wrong (and getting sleepy), or is it written this way? I didn't understand anything.
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Lider1
Either I'm reading it wrong (and feeling sleepy), or it's written this way. I didn't understand anything.
I was writing in Russian.

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