Posts from Speed and aggression.

I didn't delve too deeply into the topic because I don't want to waste time reading lengthy, pointless discussions. I'll just say this: in Heroes of Might and Magic Online, a tournament using the Swiss system cannot be conducted without postponed matches. With this system, the only option is a conditional draw; otherwise, either everyone waits, or those who didn't finish on time receive a technical result (which is also incorrect because there will be many such results).

Hey, cut it out, what the hell are you complaining about? Have you done anything for others? We're not playing for an Olympic gold medal here, we're playing for fun. And what's the point of all this fuss and pointless chatter?

R55Max, organize your own tournament and run it strictly and formally.

04.04.2012 R55Max (red, random, Rampart, Melody, Shakti) def Gomunguls (blue, random, Tower, Halon, Tyraxor) speed1 m-u, 126.

Oh, Andrey, well done, a serious claim to victory in the tournament!

...on 121 Tyrax and in FB he has no mana

It seems this factor became decisive.

But...
criticizing the system and organization of the event **during** the process is "bad manners" and has a destructive effect, as it discourages players, creates confusion, and distracts the organizer from his direct responsibilities.

I ask the AK member to issue a warning to R55Max.

Yes, in my opinion, the tournament is well-organized, and setting temporary draws doesn’t significantly affect the overall situation. I think criticizing the organizers is unfair. But! For the future, it might be worth discussing the nuances of running a Swiss-system tournament in a separate thread, outside of the tournament itself. And when starting new tournaments, it’s essential to clearly specify all the points and sub-points of the tournament system.

Based on this incident, I inadvertently came to a conclusion. It seems like everyone, including the organizer, was being trolled because this verbal exchange made my head spin, and it all escalated into veiled insults... toR55Max, if you have so many questions for the organizer, why don't you ask them directly in ICQ? Or why did you stir up this mess? There seem to be three standard motivations for this: 1) to achieve justice, 2) to annoy the organizer, 3) to troll. It seems more like the second one... at least that's how it appears from the outside. By the way, you are 100% guaranteed to win a prize (which, of course, I congratulate you on), but that's precisely why I don't understand why you started this. Usually, such "disputes" are started by losers, who try to justify themselves by blaming the organizer, the draw, or suspecting their opponents of cheating, etc. But to see this in the tournament thread, even not in the forum, from such a person – it's simply shocking. I didn't expect it, and I think no one did. P.S. They are trying to do what's best for you, trying to compromise, and you are causing such a mess... it's disgusting and shameful... at least delete these messages for decency's sake.

criticizing the system and organization of the event during its execution is considered "bad form" and has a destructive effect, as it discourages players, creates confusion, and distracts the organizer from their direct responsibilities.

I request that an AK member issue an R55Max warning.

I fully agree.

Chat, Andrew is going too far:smile32:

I'll write a post for the forum users. First, there's no need to see this as some kind of hysteria; let's look at how it started: I initially suggested creating a table, Gaudin agreed, posted it, and things became more or less clear. Well, since he asked for something, it means he wanted to see something, so he started reviewing the sequence of pairings and couldn't figure out what and how. Next, I wrote a lengthy post with three examples of inconsistencies with the rules of the Swiss system, which officially doesn't allow for such deviations with the awarding of 0.5 points. Finally, in the last post, I wrote about the drawbacks of such awards and that these significant details need to be mentioned on the forum to avoid misunderstandings, but the esteemed Gaudin, for some reason, doesn't agree with these perfectly reasonable statements.

But...
criticizing the system and the organization of the event during the process is "bad manners" and has a destructive effect, as it discourages players, creates confusion, and distracts the organizer from his direct responsibilities.

There's no arguing with that; what can you do? But when the organizer refuses to discuss the essence of the problem via ICQ, I have to bring the discussion to the forum. The goal is to revise the current rules of the Swiss system and, at worst, to ensure that this fact is at least mentioned in the rules information for other tournaments.

I ask the AK member to issue an R55Max warning.

Funny))) In fact, I'm writing here strictly on topic; I'm not discussing any irrelevant information. To hunter98

Or why did you stir up this mess? There seem to be three standard motivations for this: 1) to achieve justice, 2) to annoy the organizer, 3) to troll.

It's all about justice. I received a refusal to discuss it via ICQ. I'm the kind of person who, for example, when I break the rules in a game, I immediately admit it, ask to put losses or at least a draw, even if the opponents don't ask for it, even if they want me to win. There have been three cases where I made a mistake, but despite playing for a long time, I don't cling to it and put losses on myself. In tournaments, I behave the same way; many can confirm this. There is an inconsistency with the rules, i.e., the tournament is not following what is written. Based on what is written, it is impossible to understand about these 0.5 points. There is no trolling or annoyance. Thanks for the congratulations. To Gaudin:
You write no less than I do, and there's no need to take phrases out of context, and without the emoticons that accompany them. Why are you paying so much attention to personal things and less to the essence of the dispute? No one is saying that you are not smart, not educated, not capable, or whatever else. If you don't want to discuss it, that doesn't mean it's good. I'm not going to answer you nastily; I ask you to write to me exclusively on the topic of discussion - about the Swiss system, or not to write at all. The top part of the post is also for you. The tournament is going well; there's no need to create unnecessary problems for yourself; nothing terrible has happened. Keep going, and there's no need to give up on anything. P.S.
I suggest that if you play according to the Swiss system, then play without awarding 0.5 points. If with the award, then be sure to indicate this in the tournament rules!:smile23:

To R55Max: You are too categorical in your judgment. There is an important factor to consider: the human element. Our tournament does not offer monetary rewards and does not have critical significance in a player's life, which means it should not be a rigid requirement. Based on this, I agree with the tournament organizer that introducing such strict rules (if you don't play, you're out) is not advisable, and I fully support Gaudina in his desire to be accommodating. And I sincerely sympathize with our organizer, who, instead of receiving gratitude for his efforts, received a blow to the gut, and from the tournament favorite, no less.

For fairness, but against breaking the rules. Therefore, a point should be added to the rules; it's not difficult. Personal feelings are irrelevant; there's no need to project personal opinions onto the attitude towards a person. It's simply a statement of facts that modify the officially established rules for conducting the tournament.

To R55Max: I agree with wassermann's post. Tournament organizers should be cherished and supported :) and if there are any shortcomings or mistakes, they should be pointed out in a less harsh manner. Regarding the system: it's obvious that until EVERYONE has played their round, you can't move on to the next one because the draw results wouldn't be objective. But as a reasonable person, you should have understood that this is a small sacrifice made to the formal rules of the Swiss system for the benefit of everyone.

The tournament is going smoothly, so don't create unnecessary problems for yourself; nothing terrible has happened. Keep going, and definitely don't give up now.

Thank you for the permission. I am touched.
You think nothing happened, but I think something did.
I'm amazed by how simple everything is for you and how brazen you are. To dismiss someone's feelings and then condescendingly tell them that nothing happened.

Don't project your posts onto your attitude towards a person.

Are you even reading what you're writing?
Where else should I project them?
I've never heard such nonsense.

I'm tired of your rude behavior in the tournament thread.
So, it's better if you behave properly.
Otherwise, you're acting like a complete jerk and yelling at everyone.

To Gaudin:
Can you please stop expressing your personal feelings towards me? Notice that everything from your side boils down to this. I do read what you write, and the unwillingness to talk about the Swiss woman and steer the conversation in another direction is unwarranted. There is the Swiss woman and her discussion; please stop projecting your grievances onto me, as that is not the essence of the problem.

Stop bringing up your grievances against me; that's not the core of the problem.

Did these grievances just appear out of nowhere? Did I just randomly start picking on you?
And what is the essence of this problem, I wonder? I see that you're the only one with a problem; no one else has any issues.
Do you consider your phrase "the king in his little world" to be normal and constructive?
And when did I refuse to discuss anything with you on ICQ, I wonder?
The only thing I wrote to you was that I would be leaving work in 10 minutes, and if you had anything to say, you should say it quickly, please.
Remember your tone and your shouting about "stupid rules," and I immediately told you to tone it down.

I started this tournament to have fun playing, and I'm not going to meticulously report to you.
I tried to explain it in a simple way, but you don't understand.
Respected people like Dirty_Player, Dogbas, and theShevanesian have already tried to explain to you that it's almost impossible to do without conditional draws, and they don't significantly affect the final result.
And, most importantly, you were told that discussing the rules during the tournament is bad manners.
But you ignored that and are starting to bring everything back to discussing the system.
You've already been told that you shouldn't discuss the system while the tournament is in progress.
Other players have already pointed out your behavior to you.
And you continue to stick to your guns.

I'm very sorry that my first tournament turned out to be so unsuccessful.
The first pancake is always a flop. But it's also the last. Oh well.
Hopefully, other organizers won't repeat my mistakes.

R55 - calm down :) Go ahead and organize your own tournament and run it. Your first post about the tables caught my attention - you were asking the judge to create specific tables for you. Previously, in other tournaments, anyone who needed something like that would do it themselves. The judge/host already has a lot on their plate running the tournament, and creating various tables can be done independently. So, relax, we're here to play and have fun, not to nitpick every detail.