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Nolife
01.04.2012 Nolife (blue, necropolis, Wogial, Wogial) def PlayHeroes_HP (red, dungeon, Jaedar, Shakti) Speed 1 (m - u) 124
111 Excellent layout, right at the castle gates a stable and an external dwelling of skeletons. Wogial and Clavius arrived, leveled both. 5 heroes scattered in all directions, saw a pile of gold, Dwarf Cottage, Dragon Fly Hive, crypt, sword +3. We play :smile20: .
112 Captured native secondary town, +2 heroes, 7k gold on hand.
113 A chain formed. With three liches I start clearing everything in a row almost without losses and raising skeletons. Saw an external dwelling of skeletal dragons.
114 Wogial defeated a pandora's box +5k experience for blue capes, level 6. Clavius in the meantime is already level 4. Broke through with scout heroes to the computer, which is also necro! Killed his main along the way.
115 I kill the computer's necro with scout heroes, rearrange chains.
116 The second computer, having cleared its tiny respawn, breaks through the GO and falls under Clavius's hot hand. Via the chain with Wogial I kill 3 guards and a max Dwarf Cottage, transfer the army to Clavius and he easily finishes off the second computer and, incidentally, captures a sword +3.
117 Wogial prepares to take the Dragon Fly Hive (turned out to be 8) and the external dwelling of dragons.
Clavius takes another max Dwarf Cottage. In the main town buildings 1-2,4-7 are built in the castle. In secondary towns buildings 1-4 with fort. 15000 gold on hand. Wogial (level 8, expert necromancy, artillery and tactics). Clavius level 7 (expert necromancy, offense, advanced defense).
121 Something didn't work out too well gathering the army from all castles (large distances), and it was decided to visit the stable with Wogial and Clavius. Many movements with scout heroes, resource exchanges, visiting water mills.
122 Barely had enough money to buy everything in all castles (except zombies and robes). Clavius stamps skeletons, Wogial clears the Dragon Fly Hive and the external dwelling of dragons. Nothing left to kill in the main area, break through to the GO with everyone.
123 Clavius, Wogial and 2 mages break through 10-20 manticores, and there stands Shakti :smile07:
124 Shakti captures a neutral stronghold and hides there. I manage to kill 2 of the opponent's scout heroes with one mage and capture the main town. I buy heroes there and capture the remaining castles. With the second mage I scout Shakti's army. (Almost failed, cast arrow and ran away. But PlayHeroes_HP forgave me for that, thanks) I pass the turn, and Shakti, realizing he has nothing left and that he is blocked in his castle, decides to attack himself. We shot a bit, under haste I crawled to the middle of the field, and the opponent surrendered.
Thanks for the game.

Here I had no chance.
Thanks for the game!
Пока!
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R55Max
01.04.2012 R55Max (blue, random, dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def theShevanesian (red, random, conflux, Inteus, Tazar) speed1 m-u, 125
1st rest taken by red - my dungeon vs his conflux. 2nd deal is the same, except I also get an external dwelling of minotaurs with starting Shakti with 2 stacks, a native town, a stable, and on the dungeon's respawn, another external dwelling of Evil Eyes and perches. Very cool (I don't remember getting such a deal), but little money. I see red's ГО - 50-99 griffins. I fear an attack, I fear it because I really want to gather all the power and want to delay the FB. Not a single hero levels magic; there is a necromancer, who eventually with freed Aislin helped a lot; we gathered nearly 200 skeletons at one time, which helped a lot.
In short, on 117 I place minotaurs with 3 portals and 2 external dwellings - minotaurs and Evil Eyes.
(roads are fast). The treasure zone is bare; there are 3 Dragon Utopias on a postage stamp (though lucky that at red's exit, КЗ was guarded by 50-99 gr medusas, which I didn't see). I go for the stronghold, because I see that red's scout heroes are heading somewhere else to complete tasks. In short, on 117 in 3 dungeons I place portals; in the native town, minotaurs in the fort. I get 22 minotaurs, around 70 Evil Eyes, upgrade them, and hoping to kill Tazar who is in the treasure zone, I don't reach him; for experience, I clear a prison but don't take it - not enough movement, but I manage to expert air magic. Then red retreats; I block the entrance to the treasure zone from their side; they attack with a freed, extremely powerful Ashe level 30!!! with expert offense, tactics, earth, water, archery, and other skills: 4 birds, 4 psychos, angel, 21 air elementals, 7 fire elementals, 8 earth elementals, 2 hell hounds, stats 6 13 11 10 VS Shakti 8 9 3 4 with expert offense, air, tactics, logistics or pathfinding, 74 evil eyes, 22 king minotaurs, 8 medusas, 1+31 harpies, 132 gr troglodytes, 95 skeletons. Mass haste and shield spell decide the battle.
Thanks for the game.

Yes, a one-sided deal. Both times it gave the expensive-to-build conflux against the opponent's dungeon plus the native dungeon. On the second generation, he was also given external dwellings of minotaurs and Evil Eyes. In general, as lucky as he was in the last game, so unlucky in this one.

IMHO, on such fast templates with double dungeon, it should be banned altogether.

Thanks for the game!
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Today is the last day of the 4th round

Match: Fellshut vs Kilgor
Guys, we're waiting for you :)
Hopefully, you'll both play and we won't have any technical results :)

Players LeonidosIk and scooter72 still have a slight chance to show up before the round time expires and try to somehow agree with their opponents.
Otherwise, players ariputra and VanjaM will receive technical defeats.

The results of the 4th round and the draw for the 5th round will be announced tomorrow, approximately at 16:00 Moscow time
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Gaudin, I don't quite understand how the draw was organized (or rather, I have an idea of the draw algorithm, but it's unclear how the players were placed and who was on which side, based on the forum data), and why were the previous tables deleted if you decided to use them? I understand there were streams, but it needs to be duplicated in the thread or at least explained somehow. Secondly, create some kind of table so that everyone can see who played against whom, and who didn't play, how the pairings were made, etc. The table showing who played against whom and with what scores doesn't really say anything, because there are a certain number of games that haven't been played. It's very difficult to follow the history by looking at the results of the latest draw. When you read that one player played 1 round, another - the 3rd, two are stuck on the 2nd, and 4 on the 4th - it's confusing until you start to really understand the situation. Tournament reports are for those who like statistics and are interested in the games. That's good, but what I wrote above is more important. Create a TABLE that would tell everything about the tournament from the 1st round to the last.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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I apologize, I had some personal issues that prevented me from finishing the last game! I'm ready to continue playing...
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Sevan_80
wassermann, please correct the report.
What exactly needs to be corrected?
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R55Max

Create a TABLE that would tell everything about the tournament from the 1st round to the last.
Yes, yes.
I will definitely make a complete report on the tournament.
I have saved all the tables on my computer.
And in the Swiss Master program, I tried to save all the stages.
That's a very reasonable suggestion, and I agree with it.
The report will be ready.
I will try to write it in as much detail as possible to satisfy even the most discerning taste :)


wassermann

Look at how the report is written in the standard form in my post and in the 3rd post of the topic. And write it the same way in your post.
However, I don't see an urgent need for this, since the report in the 3rd post of the topic is correct and will be included in the season standings in the correct form :)

LeonidosIk
That's good :)
Coordinate with your opponents.
The deadline for the postponed match of the 3rd round is 02.04.2012 16:00 Moscow time (before the draw).
If HellLighT can find the time, you're in luck :)
If not, no worries. I will not extend the already postponed match.

Regarding the current match with the player VanjaM - coordinate with your opponent for a postponed match.
Here, too, the opponent's consent is necessary, but I think it will be easier :)
My experience communicating with VanjaM shows that it is quite possible to come to an agreement with him and he is willing to cooperate with his opponent.
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Fellshut vs. Kilgor match
I had connection issues on my side :( . Please give me a technical loss for this match. I hope the problems will be resolved by the next weekend.
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The report has been corrected (to be honest, I didn't know how to write it correctly, but this mistake won't happen again). :smile17:
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The opponent suggested playing on Wednesday, and I'm okay with that. I can't play today.
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I've posted the results of the draw in the first post.
The second post in the thread contains the players' standings after the 4th round.
I've calculated the cumulative scores.
However, I'm not sure where to post the results after the 5th round :(

R55Max
The draw is conducted by a program based on the points earned. If the number of points is the same, the following are taken into account in order of priority: 1) Head-to-head results and 2) Berger's rating.
The draw tables clearly show that players with approximately the same number of points are paired against each other.
I can post the draw tables for all rounds.
I can also create a cross-tabulation table in Excel.
Do you want me to? :)

I would like to emphasize one thing.
If everyone had played on time and hadn't dropped out of the tournament (4 participants withdrew), there would have been no problems.
However, I admit that I made a mistake with the draw for the 3rd round.
I apologize again.
I could have left the players who withdrew from the tournament in the general list of players and not removed them, but I didn't want anyone to be idle. I wanted everyone to play :)

P.S. My results are, of course, astonishing.
I need to work on my skills :(
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Gaudin
It was something else....
A captivating game, masterfully executed.
I personally watched with my mouth open, even though I've seen quite a few streams.
Bravo!!! :smile12:
I'd like to see more streams like this.
Ihtiandr
Shpil showed a very strong game. The last time I watched a stream with such interest was Alex's. It was very pleasant to play against such an opponent.

He almost didn't reach for the stars:o He played well, but there were some mistakes. For example, upgrading liches instead of skeletons on turn 122 and losing 40 bones in the cyclops lair. There were also minor errors, mainly due to the timer and some light trolling in the chat! I have a long way to go before I can reach Alex's level, as I've watched his games many times and know what that's like:eek: Thank you all for the positive atmosphere in the chat and for the flattering comments about my game.
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P.S. My results are, of course, astonishing.
I need to work on my skills.
Don't get your hopes up) I'm not much better) and besides, you can always learn to play Heroes, you just need time and desire (and a computer with the game installed :D).
"Никто не уходит из героев вечно", - убедился на личном опыте, гоняю в сингле до сих пор :D
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shpilenger
You absolutely must stream each of your games, please.
And if you added commentary, the streams would be even better! :)
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Too many unclear things and inconsistencies are bothering me regarding the fairness of the Swiss-system tournament. We need to sort everything out or explain where I'm wrong. **Message from Gaudin:**
The draw is generated by the program based on the points scored. If the number of points is the same, the following are taken into account in order of priority: 1) Head-to-head result and 2) Berger coefficient. The draw tables clearly show that players with approximately the same number of points are paired against each other. I can post the draw tables for all rounds. We can also create a cross-tabulation table in Excel. Do you need it?
Yes, even an ExcelWord table :rolleyes: as long as everything becomes clear and the sequence of all games and technical defeats is visible, and most importantly, it is clear based on what results the draws were made. I perfectly understand that the generator randomly pairs players with approximately equal scores. What is unclear is how many rounds each player has played, and therefore it is unclear how many points they can score by playing all 4 rounds. For example, we and **Gomunguls** need to play the 5th round by March 8, as stated, but do other players have the opportunity to score 3.5 or 4 points after completing 4 rounds? Or have all 4 rounds been played by everyone? I mean that the draw for each new round cannot take place according to the Swiss system if there is at least one unplayed game in the previous round. I have the impression (possibly false) that the draws for new rounds took place before all pairs in the previous round had played. For example, how can this be understood:
What worries me most is the silence of the following players: scooter72 - played only in the first round, and the 5th round is already coming up.
So, he played 1 round, and you have already generated 3 without taking this game and these players into account! (I found 2 technical defeats there, but not the 3rd):eek: :confused: Furthermore, even if everything was correct, let's consider the following case: We open page 22 of the topic and see that the draw for round 4 has been made. Now, let's carefully look at the table after round 3, which is the basis for the draw for round 4. Note that in round 3, players **Ihtiandr vs VanjaM** played against each other and drew, but before the draw, they both have 2.5 points, as well as 3 other players. **VanjaM and Ihtiandr** cannot play against each other, as players cannot play against each other twice in the Swiss system. They cannot get into the upper group, as there are only 2 players there - me and Dima, which means that in the group of players with 2.5 points, 4 will form pairs, and the 5th will play against a player from the group with 2 points. So, let's go through the pages of the topic and see who played against whom: **1. Gomunguls def HellLighT** on the next page, which means that either Ihtiandr or VanjaM must play against a player from the lower group, and with **leonidosik**, but it turns out that the following message from Gaudin throws me into a stupor:
Brief preliminary results of round 4.
.................

And, most importantly, comrade **LeonidosIk** There is a completely unclear situation here. The player is in 3rd position in the tournament table and has disappeared. If LeonidosIk does not appear in the topic before the results are announced, then in the postponed match **HellLighT vs LeonidosIk**, a technical defeat will be awarded to the player **HellLighT**, who chivalrously waited for his opponent and even requested an extension of the game. Regarding the current game, **LeonidosIk** also does not respond to calls in the ace from his opponent **VanjaM** and my messages.
What worries me here... First, the results of round 4, which means that it speaks about 4 games played or not played, so everyone should have already played 3. Secondly, the phrase, "If LeonidosIk does not appear in the topic before the results are announced, then in the postponed match HellLighT vs LeonidosIk, a technical defeat will be awarded to the player HellLighT," which means that there is an unplayed game from the previous round, as HellLighT has already played a game in round 4 with Gomunguls, but how did he even get to play it if, considering that he had 1.5 points after 2 rounds? Judging by the sequence of posts, the draw was made first, and then the technical defeat was awarded. If there is an explanation for this, then lastly: let's look at your table on the first page: Postponed matches of round 4 **VanjaM vs LeonidosIk**, in the table they have 3 and 2.5 points. This is a postponed game of round 4, but in the table after 4 rounds, VanjaM has 3 points, although he had 2.5 after 3 rounds. So, is this a postponed game of round 4, or did they draw with Leonidosik, and there is no report about it? Or is this a victory for **VanjaM** over **HellLight** in a postponed round? If VanjaM wins, then he will also have 3.5 points, for example, and then the random pairing may be different. In short, put everything in order, and please explain what kind of murky waters you have in your yard:smile42:
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...

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