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Too many unclear things and inconsistencies are bothering me regarding the fairness of the Swiss-system tournament. We need to sort everything out or explain where I'm wrong. **Message from Gaudin:**
The draw is generated by the program based on the points scored. If the number of points is the same, the following are taken into account in order of priority: 1) Head-to-head result and 2) Berger coefficient. The draw tables clearly show that players with approximately the same number of points are paired against each other. I can post the draw tables for all rounds. We can also create a cross-tabulation table in Excel. Do you need it?
Yes, even an ExcelWord table :rolleyes: as long as everything becomes clear and the sequence of all games and technical defeats is visible, and most importantly, it is clear based on what results the draws were made. I perfectly understand that the generator randomly pairs players with approximately equal scores. What is unclear is how many rounds each player has played, and therefore it is unclear how many points they can score by playing all 4 rounds. For example, we and **Gomunguls** need to play the 5th round by March 8, as stated, but do other players have the opportunity to score 3.5 or 4 points after completing 4 rounds? Or have all 4 rounds been played by everyone? I mean that the draw for each new round cannot take place according to the Swiss system if there is at least one unplayed game in the previous round. I have the impression (possibly false) that the draws for new rounds took place before all pairs in the previous round had played. For example, how can this be understood:
What worries me most is the silence of the following players: scooter72 - played only in the first round, and the 5th round is already coming up.
So, he played 1 round, and you have already generated 3 without taking this game and these players into account! (I found 2 technical defeats there, but not the 3rd):eek: :confused: Furthermore, even if everything was correct, let's consider the following case: We open page 22 of the topic and see that the draw for round 4 has been made. Now, let's carefully look at the table after round 3, which is the basis for the draw for round 4. Note that in round 3, players **Ihtiandr vs VanjaM** played against each other and drew, but before the draw, they both have 2.5 points, as well as 3 other players. **VanjaM and Ihtiandr** cannot play against each other, as players cannot play against each other twice in the Swiss system. They cannot get into the upper group, as there are only 2 players there - me and Dima, which means that in the group of players with 2.5 points, 4 will form pairs, and the 5th will play against a player from the group with 2 points. So, let's go through the pages of the topic and see who played against whom: **1. Gomunguls def HellLighT** on the next page, which means that either Ihtiandr or VanjaM must play against a player from the lower group, and with **leonidosik**, but it turns out that the following message from Gaudin throws me into a stupor:
Brief preliminary results of round 4.
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And, most importantly, comrade **LeonidosIk** There is a completely unclear situation here. The player is in 3rd position in the tournament table and has disappeared. If LeonidosIk does not appear in the topic before the results are announced, then in the postponed match **HellLighT vs LeonidosIk**, a technical defeat will be awarded to the player **HellLighT**, who chivalrously waited for his opponent and even requested an extension of the game. Regarding the current game, **LeonidosIk** also does not respond to calls in the ace from his opponent **VanjaM** and my messages.
What worries me here... First, the results of round 4, which means that it speaks about 4 games played or not played, so everyone should have already played 3. Secondly, the phrase, "If LeonidosIk does not appear in the topic before the results are announced, then in the postponed match HellLighT vs LeonidosIk, a technical defeat will be awarded to the player HellLighT," which means that there is an unplayed game from the previous round, as HellLighT has already played a game in round 4 with Gomunguls, but how did he even get to play it if, considering that he had 1.5 points after 2 rounds? Judging by the sequence of posts, the draw was made first, and then the technical defeat was awarded. If there is an explanation for this, then lastly: let's look at your table on the first page: Postponed matches of round 4 **VanjaM vs LeonidosIk**, in the table they have 3 and 2.5 points. This is a postponed game of round 4, but in the table after 4 rounds, VanjaM has 3 points, although he had 2.5 after 3 rounds. So, is this a postponed game of round 4, or did they draw with Leonidosik, and there is no report about it? Or is this a victory for **VanjaM** over **HellLight** in a postponed round? If VanjaM wins, then he will also have 3.5 points, for example, and then the random pairing may be different. In short, put everything in order, and please explain what kind of murky waters you have in your yard:smile42:
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...