Posts from Rehabilitation of cheaters.

After awarding Katherine the "Champion of Might and Magic" title, I'm receiving (as usual) completely irreconcilable and diametrically opposed opinions in private messages and on the forum, and I still need to make a decision. So, we'll vote. I want to know the opinion of the majority, not just those who like to write posts. Here are the questions I'm interested in: We have a cheater. We've awarded them the "Champion of Might and Magic" title, which means they can no longer participate in official tournaments. Should we allow them to play in the season, which is also an official tournament, or should we not include their games in the ranking? Katherine contacted me with a promise not to cheat and a desire to redeem herself. She wrote that she is interested in the game. The forum and the administration have already discussed the issue of rehabilitation several times. I don't know how one can redeem oneself without playing. Therefore, I decided to allow her to play in the season with conditions: a mandatory detailed report and attached save files. The player will be in the spotlight; any of you can view the save files at any time and get an idea of the current situation. It seems there were votes in the administration thread in favor of forgiving her, etc. I can't forbid players from playing with whomever they want. Are there any who want to play with Katherine? On the other hand, there is an opinion that cheaters should be removed from the list of the living. That is, even if there is a post in the season with their game, it should not be taken into account when calculating the results. If the forum decides that this is what needs to be done, then please, it will be easier for me. The forum has a system of violations: points are awarded for violating the forum rules. Falsifying tournament results (i.e., any form of cheating) results in 50 points. Some believe that cheaters should be banned immediately and permanently. Currently, this is not possible. But let's vote on this issue as well. I believe that based on the vote, we can reasonably appeal to the Creator. Therefore, I have created a poll for both Katherine and for cheating in general. Vote.

Regarding rehabilitation, the proposal is simple: the presence of positive feedback from players who actively participate in Hv-season or Hv-tournaments, or who have other merits for the forum (represented the Hv team, won prizes in Hv tournaments, organized tournaments, etc.; I myself am not one of those, but there should be enough players and games). Also, there should be no grounds for re-awarding the "Champion of Cheating" title (i.e., there should be no evidence of cheating, confirmed by game saves played after the award; game saves played before the award are no longer considered). And, I believe, it is necessary to provide some kind of mechanism for punishing guarantors in case of a relapse. For example, a mark on the avatar for a certain period, indicating that the player vouched for a repeat offender.

If it’s DEFINITELY a girl, then let it go.

What difference does it make if a girl or a boy is cheating?

Or is it a troll pretending to be a girl? I think these points should also be included in the vote.

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Also, we need to find out if they are attractive or not. There's no need to rehabilitate the unattractive ones. IMHO.

Rehabilitate in the event of a public (in the form of a forum post) admission of guilt and a promise to improve, with the following condition for future games:

a mandatory detailed report and attached saves.

Regarding rehabilitation, the proposal is simple: the presence of positive feedback from players who actively participate in Hv-season or Hv-tournaments, or who have other merits for the forum (played for the Hv team, won prizes in Hv tournaments, organized tournaments, etc.; although, he himself isn't one of those, judging by the number of players and games). And there should be no grounds for a repeat awarding of the "Champion of Cheating" title (i.e., there is no evidence of cheating, confirmed by game saves played after the awarding of the "Champion of Cheating" title; game saves played before the awarding of the "Champion of Cheating" title are no longer considered).

And, I think, it is necessary to provide at least some mechanism for punishing guarantors in case of a relapse.
For example, a mark on the avatar for a certain period, indicating that the player vouched for a repeat offender. :o

A practical point about guarantors.
I would suggest a minimum of six months of games in the season (someone suggested a year in a private message) with a minimum (6 months, one game per week) of 25 games.

Banning provokes the creation of a clone, and it is difficult to track a clone.

Interesting! Dirty_Player is ready to pay $1000 for a game with Katherine. We should take advantage of this.

Rehabilitate in case of a public (in the form of a forum post) admission of guilt and a promise to improve.

That's the right approach!

My opinion, which I adhere to not only in the game but also in life: Everyone deserves a second chance, but not a third. That is, if a person messed up, admitted guilt, and repented, then I don't see any reason not to give a second chance. Of course, this is not about immediate forgiveness, but the chance to improve should be given.

P.S.: I would play with Katerina myself, but only in 2013 :D

I'm a complete newcomer to the forum. There should always be a chance to make amends, but how a person uses that chance is another matter.

The period after which a black mark can be removed should be measured not by calendar time, but by in-game activity – the number of fair and transparent confirmed games (for example, 25 games). This will give the cheater more motivation to change their behavior, and playing fairly will become a habit.

I think the approach to cheaters needs to be changed somewhat, as there are different types of cheats and cheaters themselves.
For example, many remember "Loser." This kind of cheating should result in a permanent ban. Not only did he cheat blatantly, and it was all recorded, but he also denied it instead of admitting his guilt.
Or, there's a situation where a cheater didn't mess up too badly (let's say they used auto-lookup in a fun game) and didn't deny the fact of cheating, or even better, admitted it:D. In this case, we can talk about some kind of rehabilitation period.

The only thing I can't accept is if the cheater is a girl, especially a beautiful one... and if she provides a topless photo, we'll forgive her... and if she even lets us hold her hand, she can cheat:D.

The poll does not include the option "Burn at the stake!!!"

in short, everything will come down to the girl's appearance, and photos of her topless, well :D
Actually, I think we can come up with a rehabilitation system. Although, those who deny the fact should be banned, no discussion. That's it!

Let's call Katya to Yekaterinburg and, after the Nth bottle of vodka, we'll decide her fate:D
If we're serious, I think it's worth giving her a second chance, but with a probationary period and sincere remorse:smile26:. If she's caught cheating again, ban her permanently without any pity:smile34:. So, instead of "chmch," let's come up with some other sign – "probationary period."

What's the difference if a girl or a guy is cheating?

It seems to me that the respected Rimpel's grandmother stole his cheater...

Let's invite him to Yekaterinburg and test it out.