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...I just don't understand what moral satisfaction can be derived from a victory achieved in this way.
And it even makes you feel sorry for the person when you see them trying to assert themselves in this way...
Yes, there is a certain type of people for whom the main thing is to show themselves as the first, by any means, in any matter, even where it is completely unnecessary for them. And loud phrases and names are just empty boasting, which a decent person might fall for.
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Or maybe we should forgive him? He's not that different from Katerina, can't a person joke around?
But Katya stands by her words - and that's a plus for her. And here, as soon as things got heated, the person backed down. If one approach doesn't work, maybe another will.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Katya withdrew from the tournament herself after winning a match due to her cheating; in my opinion, she doesn't deserve to be banned from tournaments, and they could have given her a second chance, but the organizers decided otherwise.
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RBW remains silent...
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Весна 2012.
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Regarding Katherine.
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Katherine actually withdrew from the tournament herself after a winning match due to her cheating...
Where did you get this strange information? Only 3 (three) rounds were played, and the first two opponents were eliminated from the tournament. Only the last opponent decided to check the save files and suspected something. Only after the save files were given to the tournament judges, and then to me, was a proper analysis done, and the cheating was proven. She didn't intend to withdraw herself.

Currently, the situation is as follows. I received a private message from Katherine, in which she promises not to cheat again. Since some players expressed a desire to rehabilitate our cheater, I suggest that everyone who wants to play in the season with Katherine; the games will be counted. Mandatory conditions for Katherine - detailed reports/confirmations with save files. And also, check your own games. I believe that fair play will help her restore her good name.

Regarding RBW. I sent him a private message on March 25, 2012, at 22:23 with a request to comment on the situation. The message was received by him, as his last activity was on March 25, 2012, at 23:05. So, we'll wait for a response for the standard 3 days (which is quite enough to come up with something to say), and on Thursday, if no comments appear, we will decide what to do without him.
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Katerina has thoroughly trolled all of you.
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Regarding Katherine.

Where did this strange information come from? Three (3) rounds were played, and the first two opponents were eliminated from the tournament. Only the last opponent decided to check the save files and suspected something... Only after the save files were sent to the tournament judges and then to me, was a proper analysis done, and the cheating was proven. She wasn't planning on withdrawing herself.

Immediately after the false victory, she wrote to Oleg in a private message, asking him to remove her from the tournament without giving a reason. That's what she said. Oleg can confirm or deny this).
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It's obvious that withdrawing from the tournament was done to stall things.

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In general, I find it hard to understand why she was given a chance. And so quickly.
Firstly, there's no room for messing around in a tournament; there are Grand Rounds for that, at the very least.
Secondly, there was an attempt to brush it off, saying that since she withdrew, it would be smoothed over, and everything would be okay.
Thirdly, a court doesn't absolve someone of responsibility because they "just wanted to joke around."
I believe this decision is a sign of weakness from the local authorities, who are swayed by the image of a "sweet, defenseless girl" who, not only behaves like a

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b*tch
in personal communication, but also brazenly comes to the forum with the attitude of, "Oh, it was an accident, I didn't mean to, I swear, I won't do it again."
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Honestly, I find it hard to understand why she was given a chance, and so quickly.
What does "given a chance" mean?
She has a CMCH (Cheating Match History), is on the Blacklist, and her points have been calculated.
There is a ban on playing in official tournaments.
I can't ban her from playing in a season if she finds people willing to play with her, let her play.
Without saves, her victories will not be counted.
I'm not going to analyze the saves, but they will be posted on the forum, and anyone who wants can look at them.
If she does it again, it will be a second CMCH, another 50 points for falsification, and a ban.
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If you get caught again, it's a second disqualification, another 50 points deducted for cheating, and a ban.
Exactly. Keep cheating, but try not to get caught! It's easy to check those extra 10,000 points on the first day, but no one will notice a "******" (presumably referring to a more subtle form of cheating), so keep improving your skills! As they say, if you're not caught, you're not a thief.
What can be said about the forum when a newly caught cheater continues to play in the seasonal league (which, by the way, is also a tournament) as if nothing happened.
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Yeah, yeah. Keep cheating, but try not to get caught! It's easy to check for an extra 10,000 on the first day, but no one will probably notice "******," so go ahead and improve your skills! As they say, if you're not caught, you're not a thief.
Oleg, I don't understand you...
Let's say you want to play with her, you play, you win, and you write a report. What am I supposed to do in that case? Annul your game? Delete the report? Not count it? Yell at you?
How can I prevent theShevanesian from playing with her? Am I supposed to run after all the players and convince them not to play with her? Are you kidding me?
Yes, the season is a tournament; to win it, you need to play and win a lot. That means you need to find enough opponents who are willing to play with you. There's no mandatory draw; everything happens through mutual agreement.
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What can be said about the forum when a newly caught cheater continues to play in the season (which, by the way, is also a tournament) as if nothing happened.
So far, I don't see many people who want to play in the season with a newly caught cheater...
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Let's say you want to play against them, you play, you win, and you write a report.
Do you take into account reports where the loser is listed as a non-existent player? No. That's how cheaters should be treated; they should no longer exist on the forum. If a person can't play fairly with others, then they should just play single-player. And such people should be banned from the forums once and for all. Getting caught cheating isn't such a frequent occurrence that we shouldn't punish the person to the fullest extent. Give them the full 400 points penalty and ban them by IP address. Are there really so few players?
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Here we are, just the two of us, arguing about a specific issue – whether or not to allow Katherine to play in the season. You're against it, and others have written that they're willing to give her a chance. I won't be playing with her, but I also don't want to be a supervisor for the players. Therefore, I suggest that you conduct a vote on the forum regarding this issue. Whatever the forum decides, that's what will happen. If the forum decides to delete all reports, then I will delete them. I believe that you can handle this task perfectly well, and please allow me to focus on something more useful. To be honest, I really don't want to waste any more time on this cheater.
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If you’re going to ban them, don’t do it specifically based on this. I don’t see any reason to differentiate cheaters based on any characteristic, whether it’s gender, age, or financial status. If there’s a way to ban them by IP address, why not use it? What’s the point of keeping trash in the house?
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I don't have the ability to ban by IP address, especially dynamic ones, and many people have dynamic IPs. That way, half the forum could be banned. And the issue of banning for cheating has already been discussed many times. No, the Creator has already stated that the forum is for communication, and points are only given for violating forum rules (in particular, for using profanity or imitating it).
At least there's "For falsifying tournament results" - 50 points. That's half a ban.
So, do you want to hold a vote - to ban cheaters or not?
I just don't understand what we're talking about...
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So, you want to hold a vote – should cheaters be banned or not?
Yes, so that obtaining the Champion of Champions title doesn't just mean being banned from official tournaments. But since the Creator himself is against it! There's no point in this Champion of Champions title...
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