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Offline dzhalib
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try this tactic: take Vittorio, and in the beginning, upgrade the ballista to three shots, and add the tent to the machine management skill. If you encounter light magic, take it. Upgrade the guardian angel. Then, wait for leadership. Max out the empathy skill. The hero turns out to be quite good. Humans already have powerful units. After that, you can choose any skill you like, preferably one that improves defense, because you can always attack, but it's not always possible to withstand an attack.
компьтер- это почти человек. единственное отличие: ему не свойственно сваливать свои ошибки на другой компьютер
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Vitya is useless as a lieutenant. Only good on small maps.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Why? A single ballista is worth a lot at a high-level hero:smile12:! Only the "Tent" ability will be useless in large battles.
компьтер- это почти человек. единственное отличие: ему не свойственно сваливать свои ошибки на другой компьютер
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Yes, Lordi, I agree with Jalib. Of course, it's not very effective in large battles, but no one forces you to use it, and on a huge map, you can reach your opponent without waiting for 10 angels ;) Plus, machines will help you develop quickly, and this advantage will be useful at any stage.
 

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You're wrong, Mент. How will you clear out neutral creatures on adjacent territories? With machines or something? Or will you spend money buying random units? By the time you get there, there will be nothing left of you.
a single ballista is worth a lot at a high-level hero

And how many will it kill? Vitya is probably the weakest machine operator, useful at the beginning, but completely useless in the endgame. A tent is at least useful because it can remove blindness or dispel, but a ballista... pff.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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How will you break through the neutral forces into adjacent territories? With machines or something?
Of course.
Or will you spend money buying all sorts of weak units?
If the games are like in the last tournament, you can practically not worry about money. Otherwise, you'll have to be a little more frugal, but it's nothing.
And how many will she kill?
Vitya is probably the weakest machine operator, useful at the beginning, but completely useless in the final.
He has a bonus for the ballista, though. Even without the bonus, the ballista can effectively take down not-so-tough units in the final with a single shot.
 

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What kind of endgame creature is that on the large map? Just for fun, I checked the manual. I calculated the damage of a ballista; with 30 knowledge and 30 attack, it deals only 300 damage, and even in his dreams, Vitya wouldn't have such stats. So, Menti, don't make things up; if you have endgame creatures appearing in the third week, it's still not late game, so I know what I'm talking about.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Well, the third week is definitely pushing it, but holding the final on a large map in the beginning of the second month with Vitya(!) is more than achievable. That is, around the fifth week. Perhaps not on all maps. So, there's no need to hesitate. Even if you do hesitate, it's not a big deal: let the machines play in the final and have a minor role, but most importantly, they will fulfill their purpose: provide us with rapid development, an abundance of money, and, as a result, a more developed hero with a larger, well-trained army. Something that no evil Axel can do, as he is practically useless in the early stages. Although, Dugald will probably outperform Vitya in such a situation, yes, but he is the only one who can do that.
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deals only 300 damage
By the way, these are incorrect numbers. I think you didn't take into account the triple shot, the attack of the ballista itself, or the potential skill for piercing defense.
 

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By the way, those are incorrect numbers. I think you didn't account for the triple shot, the attack of the ballista itself, or the potential skill for armor penetration.

And you didn't account for skills and spells that increase evasion, and a bunch of wasted skill points. It's funny, Menti, I thought you knew more. Besides, Haven doesn't start with a ballista, but with archers. And I'm telling you again that "late game" doesn't mean a bigger map, but a longer game, and therefore, more units, so don't tell me about rushing with Wite. You try yourself to attack someone with your ballista on normal maps, and then show how smart you are.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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And I’m telling you again, “late game” doesn’t mean a bigger map, it means a longer game.
Vitya is useless in the late game. Only on small maps.
To which I reasonably replied, don’t drag it out.
Besides, Haven’s starting units are not ballistas, but archers.
I acknowledged Dugal’s superiority. And all the others don’t have any advantages in terms of archers.
But you didn’t take into account the skills and spells for evasion, and a bunch of wasted skill points.
Not all races benefit from taking defense. Not all races benefit from taking light magic. You always need to act according to the situation; if something is not useful, then you should give it up. But such situations don’t always arise.
Try yourself on normal maps to attack someone with your ballista, and then show how smart you are.
But I have tried it many times. True, not with Vitya, but with his bonuses, he should be at least as good. And that’s why what you’re saying sounds very strange to me.
 

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Mortulus is writing such nonsense :D
The start for Haven isn't with a ballista, but with archers.
Red ones? Maybe. But until the first serious ranged unit block, or magical one. And in the maximum gnome build, your archers will be taken down by warlocks with pre-cast spells.
Although Dugald will definitely outperform Vitus in such a situation, yes, but he is the only one who is a record-breaker.
There's also Rutger.
deals only 300 damage
Is that not enough in weeks 2-3? O_O And you don't really need an army. And this damage is dealt by the ballista, not by a specialist. Vitus will be even scarier.
The tent is useful at least because it can remove blindness or confusion, but the ballista...
If you don't kill the ballista right away in the final, you'll have additional problems. It will deal with any archers without any difficulty.
How will you clear neutral creatures on adjacent territories? With machines?
I killed 90 Death Messengers and then 178 Nightmares in the early fourth week, having 10 Cave Lords, 31 Succubi, 13 Nightmares, 64 Demons, and 48 Imps in my army. The hero had about 12 attack and, I think, 6 defense. Grok. You won't believe what I killed them with :D


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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Zubr, demons – they are the best shooters; they focus on attack and knowledge, and the damage of the ballista depends precisely on these factors. Nightmares with messengers are not a good example; instead, provide an example with titans, devils, or lava golems.
Furthermore, if Vitya uses fire arrows that ignore defense, it cuts off the path to retribution, and this cannot be allowed in the late game.
To which I reasonably replied, don't drag it out.

Everything depends on the game conditions. In a tournament, you definitely need to play quickly, but some people like to develop their strategy. Besides, there are maps where there are no astral gates, and you have to break through everyone.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Bison and demons are the best crew members; they focus on attack and knowledge, which directly affects the ballista's damage. Nightmares with messengers are not a good example; instead, provide an example with titans, devils, or lava drakes.
+4 was due to artifacts, that's one thing.
Devils and lava drakes will fall in the same way. It's more difficult with titans.
There are maps where there are no astral gates, and you have to break through everything.
They can't be used anyway.


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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Yes, you can. It cannot be used to jump into the opponent's starting area. But I don't see much point in this spell; it's better to fight more and gain experience.
 

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Lord Mortulus, why was my spirit reduced for my comments? And without any reason.
Lord Mortulus
Nightmares with messengers are not a good example; provide an example with titans or devils or lava battles.

My friend constantly takes Vitus and doesn't complain. He quickly defeats neutrals, just like I do with mages:smile16:. You say to try with devils; in my opinion, devils are the weakest of the seven-level creatures. Vitus defeats them with a rapid-fire ballista, a decent number, if I'm not mistaken, around seven or more! And if he also gets the "Ring of Kinship with Machines":smile47:
компьтер- это почти человек. единственное отличие: ему не свойственно сваливать свои ошибки на другой компьютер
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