Posts from "Новичок-2012. Winter"

Group E
11.01.12. Messiah (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti) def marader-kisa (Red, Fortress, Bron) 2SM4d(3) 213
Immediately, the Troglodyte dwelling was under the town, and a level-1 Griffin Conservatory. The upgraded Troglodytes just killed a stack of Griffins—handled it beautifully). After that, leveling up was easier with the Angel. By day 7 on my side: 1-4, 6 Citadel + Portal, and I captured Conflux, scouted the Dragon Cave with 20+ Manticores, left it for week 2, found a Sword +3 and a Shield +4.
On week 2, another +1 Angel, Expert Earth. I split my forces to learn Slow and immediately went for the Dragons. All good. Then through the Monolith to the Monks, there was a swamp and 2 more Griffin Conservatories. I took them on day 131, they gave 2+2 Angels, total 6. Nearby was a Dragon Fly Hive +8. In the swamp, I found a Dwarf Treasury and a Naga Bank. I started building Dragons for the payoff, and Wyverns in the Fortress. No money for buying troops; I planned to head into the underground towards Conflux hoping for a Utopia. There was a Naga Bank, a Library... everything was going according to plan, but I saw through the scout that Kyrre and then Bron were heading towards Conflux. Bron had 5+ Angels and 20+ Wyverns cleaning up Hives along the way. I prepared for the worst, built a chain back, but on the next turn Bron turned back. Close call). I continued scouting the underground; there were a few more Hives scattered inconveniently, and a Conservatory +2. I took what I could, and then Bron popped out of the forest through a Dimensional Door again and positioned himself near Conflux. From Conflux to my Dungeon is a stone's throw down the road, and I still hadn't found a Utopia, no money to buy troops.. In an emergency, I set up a chain and prepared to split my forces. In the Dungeon, built a Level 4 Guild—there was Town Portal! Bron captured Conflux, rode towards the Dungeon, and teleported to his own town. On my turn, I moved the army back through the chain to Conflux, split Shakti, learned Town Portal, doubled my mana, and took the army from Conflux. Another close call). A lull.
Then I finally found a Utopia; it had the Air Book, and I immediately reached the second Dimensional Door. Bron flew into my town, taking 60 Harpies. On the next turn, I attacked:
Shakti (18, 24, 19, 16/264) 7 Angels, 12 Black Dragons, 25 Wyverns, 16 Scorpicores, 34 Medusas, 64 Eyes, 15 Minotaurs.
Bron (13, 14, 7, 10/70) 8 Angels, 8 Hydras, 30 Upgraded Wyverns, under 30 Beholders, 70+ Lizardmen, 18 Basilisks, 3 Serpent Flies.
I cast Slow, Protection, Lightning (the first one didn't affect the Beholders—Magic Resistance). Bron cast Implosion twice with Sphere of Earth and Cure when he ran out of spell points.
By round 4, the stat advantage showed. A very tough victory.
Thanks for the game!

Messiah (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti) def marader-kisa (Red, Fortress, Bron) 2SM4d(3) 213
On the first map, I built a Citadel and stuck Hydras in it. Took Inferno as a secondary skill.
On the second map, there was a lot of downtime.
On the third, I cleared all the Conservatories, a couple of Dragon Fly Hives. The hero has a Book of Earth + Sorcerer's Hat in the backpack.
Everything seems to be going well! But the Spell Power is still at 1, Implosion damage 325 (a bit low), Knowledge only 4.
On the fourth map, I jumped into a Treasure, visited a Library, took a Necklace + Sphere of Earth.
214, I attacked the Black Dragons, captured the opponent's castle. And Shakti killed Bron in the castle; too bad I didn't have enough mana—otherwise the end of the game would have been different.
Thanks for the game!

Guys, please check the tables and lists of reports. I might have missed something in this mess:o

I would like to ask you to stop the hysterics and answer the question directly.

What leads you to believe that the player intentionally "hid" (doesn't that sound silly?) his skill level? In general, where is it written that a so-called good player is obliged to always play perfectly? It would be strange if a player performed well before the tournament and then suddenly played worse during the tournament. This raises questions – it's illogical. If a person "improved" during the tournament, there is nothing unexpected about it; on the contrary, it is quite common.

You have heard the expression "fan game," playing for fun.

1. A person may not be in good shape, may be upset, may have argued with his girlfriend, or, conversely, may have made up with his girlfriend, or simply may have had a few beers. There are many reasons that can affect a person's performance in a particular game.

2. A person has the right not to disclose these reasons.

Presumption of innocence, ladies and gentlemen.

I don't think this trick will work; I don't know why he decided to play, maybe to mock others, maybe he just has nothing else to do... but in the tournament, there will be NEWCOMERS playing, not players with good experience.

And who is mocking whom?

I would like to ask you to stop being hysterical and answer directly to the point?

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Do you have a different opinion?

Damn, there's a level in the game with arrows and oil, and then I messed around with angels.

And in the first game, a loss on turn 112 and NO PROSPECTS AT ALL.

Minor technical errors were present in all games.

01/17/2012 Group C: Dimast (red Rampart, Ivor) defeated aka.Ward3n (blue Swamp, Vistan) 115 to 2sm4d(3)
The distribution was more than excellent; he also gave a good piece of the respawn area and a wooden mine without piles))) that's cool for the Swamp. Let's play! A good hero composition: Enova, Grindan, Aenain, Adelka, Ivor, etc. A huge respawn area on day 3, more than 10k gold. On day 4, I built a castle; there were no crystals. I was going to take them and a couple of wood huts with crypts, not go for the secondaries. From the scouting, I see how the opponent's harpies are moving around the Swamp. One of them runs past my main castle and reveals my scouting and my entire respawn area. We chatted in ICQ; he said that things were bad for him, and I was doing well. We agreed that this was a technical loss.
Thank you for the game; please be more careful in the future.

01/17/2012 Group C Dimast (red Rampart, Ivor) vs. aka.Ward3n (blue Swamp, Wistan) 115 2sm4d(3)
The resource distribution was more than excellent. He also placed a scouting unit to provide vision for one day, secured a good portion of the resource spawn, and took the wood mine without any guards. That's great for the Swamp player! We're playing. A good hero composition: Enova, Grindan, Aenain, Adela, Ivor, etc. On day 3, I had over 10k gold. On day 4, I built a Castle, but there were no crystals. I was planning to take them and grab a couple of resource nodes with outposts, without going for secondary castles. From my scouting unit, I saw that the Swamp player was moving units around the map on harpies. Then, one of them ran past my main castle and revealed my scouting unit and my entire resource spawn. We chatted on ICQ, and he was having a tough time, while I was doing well. We agreed that it was a technical loss.
Thanks for the game, please be more careful in the future.

I confirm. Thanks to my opponent for the game and the lesson.
I gave up Wistan with two stacks. I didn't take the 1/1/1 resource spawn; I saw two gnoll dens and an arena. The resource spawn was very poor. On day 111, I broke through the arena, but I didn't have enough money even for 5 heroes. On day 112, I defended against the gnolls and discovered another den. On day 113, I broke through the skeletons guarding the scroll of summoning a water elemental, and I sent the army to the Castle where Bron was going to break through the imps. A very stupid mistake on my part, giving away the troglodytes. On day 114, things were bad; I had no money, and the Castle was empty. Then, for some reason, I realized that my main castle was guarding the passage, and I moved Erdamon to the scouting unit. I realized that it was game over only after my opponent told me. I'm a noob.

Group E
01/17/12. Messiah (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti) def marader-kisa (Red, Fortress, Bron) 2SM4d(3) 213

Thanks for the replays :)

If you believe that playing against AI opponents can replace playing against experienced players and is perfectly suitable for training to reach a sufficient level of skill:confused: :smile32:
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why not. Playing against the AI only differs in the final stage (which is absent).
For example, I could play the final stage well, but I need to develop my skills first, which I can't seem to do. In my games, my opponents have an advantage, and I simply give up.
The entire game is decided in the final stage, but you're given cards that determine what kind of army you'll be fighting with.

Therefore, playing against the AI and studying streams is perfectly sufficient. The only weak point in such training is the final stage, but thanks to skillful play, you'll have a strong army.

So, are Kilgor and Readme the same person or not?

17.01.2012. Group B. HellLighT (blue, Tower, Eine, Brissa) def d-neez (red, Fortress, Vestan, Vestan) 2SM4d(3) 215

Immediately disappointed by the main in the form of a huge fat intestine, thankfully on the serpent routes everyone quickly bypassed it, but the external dwelling of lizards and the well-placed gold along the intestine made me happy, so by day 117 I had 12346 in the castle. The main turned out to be quite large and for the first week I only cleared it; at the start of the second week I took a Barbarian secondary hero and, splitting across a chain the size of a large half of the map, immediately took an Inferno secondary. There's plenty of gold thrown at them, everything is broken through great with 65 archers and 6 wyverns with serpents, took 2 Medusa shrines and a Dwarf Cottage, built hydras. By the 3rd week Vestan has stats 8 11 2 2, advanced earth and basic tactics, the nearest exit to the opponent is GO 50-99 gr. Pit Fiends; other passages were in the deepest op, decided to run towards a treasury through an underground Necro secondary, capturing it and the lookout nearby, saw the treasury on rough terrain, completely filled with 10-19 angels, bears, wizards...without slow I didn't want to mess with all that; over the whole time I explored 12 shrines, built a Mage Guild in 3 castles, lots of scrolls, but slow was still missing. I split into a general secondary on day 141, and with all the bought growth from 5 hydras, 20 ducks, 9 bulls, 28 greater basilisks, 45 serpents, 122 greater archers, and 63 gnolls I run 2 days to a guard of 20-49 dendroid soldiers. Brissa shines with 5-6-12-7, kill the dendroids, come out onto snow...the wrong secondary, it turned out to be a treasury and not a single road nearby, I turn the chain around, in 2 days I split into a secondary on the other end of the map, there I level up tactics and earth, and, oh miracle, in the Necro underground a cockroach finds a slow scroll, without thinking I run to GO with 135 archers, 7 hydras, 23 ducks, 15 bulls, 86 gnolls, 47 dragonflies, and 32 basilisks, with slow and no losses, but Brissa with stats 12 8 17 12 and implosion for 1500k determined the outcome. GG, thanks for the game.

Conclusion: No matter how you look at it, the odds were not in my favor; after looking at the map I realized I could have gone all-in on the opponent right after taking the Barb secondary via rough terrain and then snow, at the very least by day 127 I would have attacked the main; Brissa would have been at most 3-4-9-6 with 120 mana, lightning for 300, 17 magi, 2 nagas, 47 master gremlins, 3 genies, 6 golems, 11 gargoyles...Vestan would have been 6 7 1 1, 6 wyverns, 12 basilisks, 19 regular dragonflies, 65 regular archers, 53 gnolls; no mass magic, 10 mana; even with an advantage in meat I don't think I would have taken the main because of lightning, and going out to GO on the third week was impossible due to the lack of slow; I started padding stats, the opponent got stronger and GG; the only thing I could have done right was to take a max-level Dragon Utopia with a secondary; as it turned out it would have given a sword +5 to all, amulet +3 to all, sandals +2 to all, and most importantly, the red orb of magic protection, but the lack of experience in taking max-level Dragon Utopias plus imagining a Captain's Hat and similar junk, the fear of ruining what I currently had, plus the found slow scroll tipped the scales in favor of turning away from the Dragon Utopia and breaking through GO. This will be a lesson for me; I need to urgently learn to take Dragon Utopias as early as possible with minimal losses.

Uh... while I was sleeping there were such battles here, someone accused me of being a clone, someone else of something else, oh well, you can't please everyone on the forum.
I'd like to say the following:
1) Regarding the difference in the game (with Doulgas and the Gnoll).
With Doulgas, I wanted to split the troops, break through with the archers upward, and on the second turn upgrade the pikemen and go down with them to the stable. 112 killed all the archers, I only overlooked one thing... Undead gives -1 morale to archers, and at the most crucial moment, when the archers from Wait were supposed to flee behind the Gnolls, and they were about to rush at the ballista, anti-morale kicked in, that's the whole story.
With the Gnoll, it was a piece of cake, Luna kills the Hydras (is that hard?), a level 10 hero appears with oil and off we go...
2) Psyh, you absolutely must stream, I need the experience :D , just recently I saw a good swamp diversion from you (the topmost stack lures the archers, while all the rest go down)

P.S. Woke up, the grudge faded, calmness returned, I'm writing this message with a smile now. Scorpicore, I was certainly more offended at you than anyone else, but... I forgive you.

P.P.S. I didn't expect anyone here to support me, I thought they'd think: "Some unknown ghoul, a damn clone, screw him." Thank you all, every vote added +2 to my morale :-) !

I couldn't find this anywhere in the rules...

If the opponent surrenders/asks for auto, and is offered/given auto (accordingly), then if the opponent wins the game, is it a draw in terms of the result?

Simple example. Opponent writes gg on 112 after all rests. Well, it's just not interesting at all, I offer auto myself. What do the rules say in such cases? Technically, I've already won, but I don't need that kind of win at all.

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Juristis,Vatya guys, tell me, have you been hanging around forums for a long time? Or did you just watch some streams and go straight to
sorting out treasure zones in the second week?

Tanyushka, I've never watched streams; reading the forums terrified me with reports about finals on 126 on Jebus... A month ago I considered getting to mininostalgia on 211 at the center a good outcome... Now I understand that on the same Jebus, if I don't reach 131, I can just write gg...

By the way, I've been lurking on the HW forum periodically since 2006. But Heroes was always just a pastime. A sort of periodic ego boost. I understood that I couldn't compete with the folders, and the Olympic principle isn't for me...

So there's plenty of theory, but no desire to apply it in practice. I won't draw a parallel with Kilgor, but that's exactly why I started defending him. The fire magic spell is memorized by heart; I just lack an understanding of the PRINCIPLE of online play.

Simple example, today I lost stupidly because with 5 mana for both, I cast Haste first. I simply didn't believe the opponent could have a mass Haste spell on Gosha. One wrong click and gg..

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Speaking of which...

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Juristis,Vatya guys, tell me, have you been hanging around forums for a long time? Or did you just watch some streams and go straight to sorting out treasure zones in the second week?

The second week was not pleasing at all. I saw no point in taking out secondary heroes through rough terrain, especially since the opponent took a native secondary hero, although apart from the stables there was nothing useful there, and I didn't want to go into the Inferno territory at all because it was way too far.
In the end, I rushed to the nearest treasure zone...

I couldn't care less... about the user Kilgor (no offense to him, this post isn't about that...) One thing I couldn't understand... The principle of difference between a folder and a beginner... make some kind of test or something...

Although maybe I don't understand something in this world, but what's the point of folders participating in such tournaments? I (again, this is my IMHO) would find it uninteresting... for them, it's just degradation...

01/17/2012. JustObserver (blue, Tower, Nela, Charna) def Browser (red, Stronghold, Gurni, Gurni) 2SM4d(3) 146 Group A

JustObserver, you're tough! You gave the best player on the portal's rating his favorite Stronghold and still managed to win, and even playing as Tower :cool: I need to read the report later; there must have been some nuances that didn't favor Browser.

I couldn't find anything about this in the rules...
If an opponent concedes/asks for a rematch, and a rematch is offered/given (respectively), and the opponent wins the game, does that result in a draw?

This situation is common, but not covered by the rules.
If the opponent concedes due to a losing position, it's considered a loss.
Everything else is just an agreement between the players.
You can offer a rematch. You can do this without any conditions, in which case the result of the game will be what you end up with.
You can immediately set your conditions - either for half a point, or maybe to get a rematch in case of a win, etc....
Maybe your opponent will immediately say that in case of his victory, it will be a draw.
But you need to remember that if there were no prior agreements, a rematch is a gesture of goodwill from the person offering it and does not impose any obligations on the opponent.

In tournament games, it is not customary to ask for a rematch, and a refusal is usually taken as a matter of course.

When I first came to the forum, there was no talk of rematches or humanitarian restarts; we just didn't know what they were... We would lose 2-3 times in a game, but we wouldn't concede; we would try to fight and often even succeed)). There were no restarts for a block or for one road in the Grand Order on a small map, because of this, we paid very close attention to restarts, and there was no search for "chocolate" (a favorable restart), you could get yourself into a completely unplayable situation.

Therefore, it is better to:
- not offer, a tournament is a sport; if your opponent lost and conceded, then he lost... If you really want to play, offer your opponent a new game. Now, in the group stage, you can play with each opponent as many times as you want; the result will simply be calculated based on the sum (or a draw if the games are, for example, 1-1, or someone's victory if there is an advantage in games)...
- not ask, firstly, don't embarrass yourself; either admit defeat or fight, and secondly, by begging for a rematch, you put your opponent in an awkward position...