Posts from "Новичок-2012. Winter"

Where did you see the word CLONE???:mad:

Well, it was on the previous page. But we didn't really believe it.

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By the way, I disagree with Leader and Readme. The learning process for the game has noticeably accelerated. There are VODs, streams, and microguides. If you have brains, you can learn to play at a decent level and compete in tournaments very quickly.

Don't touch Sevens:D If Kilgore had played as much as Sevens, there wouldn't even be a question!!!!

But what does this have to do with it? Ridmi has been playing online for many years, and not just here, but in many other places, almost since the very beginning of Heroes 3. And Sevensan did participate in the novice tournament and even then his gameplay was not inferior to Ridmi's. This is to say that it is possible to learn to play quickly and well and catch up to the level of many players in a short time.

Will 5 efreets destroy 5 stacks of 40 griffins each? They will take -1 damage from the first stack's counterattack. And even -2 under a mage. Maybe I misunderstood something.

Where does it say about 5? If there's a hidden stash, it's already 9. I liked something else more: how they defeat 70 cyclops with a loss of 20 gremlins on level 125 :)

On 125, I split into a grindon and run to the second dungeon, hoping it leads to a haven, but it turned out to be a treasure. I kill ~70 cyclops (sweating a lot but not losing a single angel, only 20 gremlins and a few units), and get boots of speed.

Cyclops are weak in melee combat.

Where does it say anything about 5? If there's a hidden stash, then it's already 9. I liked something else more, like how they take out 70 Cyclops with a loss of 20 Gremlins on level 125. 125, I defeat them with a Grindstone and run to the second dungeon, hoping it leads to the Outpost, but it turns out to be a Treasure room. I kill about 70 Cyclops (sweating a lot, but without losing a single Angel, only 20 Gremlins and a few units), and get the Boots of Speed.

I looked at the save files; there are fewer than 70 Cyclops, more like 50. With 400+ Lightning damage and 5 Angels, it's quite manageable.

Before the tournament, all replays of the players were reviewed, and conclusions were drawn about who to allow and who not to... On January 5, I received and reviewed Kilgor's replays where he played against Dogbas... On January 15, he plays a game against Gnol... Before anyone writes anything here, please watch these games and compare them, and then we can talk... I think the issue is closed.

Well, I looked at the save files. That battle against the gnolls can be won if you have few morale and antimorale skills. After that, everything is so dull that no matter how you play, the outcome is the same. I didn't notice a significant difference in skill level between playing against Dogbas and Tvarina.

Well, I looked at the save files. That battle against the gnolls can be won if you have few morale and anti-morale skills. After that, everything is so dull that no matter how you play, the outcome is the same.

I didn't notice a significant difference in skill between the games against Dogbas and Tvarina.

It's a shame you didn't notice... I'll explain: Kilgor was disqualified because before the game, he hid his actual skill level and showed fake save files... Now he's playing at full strength, and he has one excuse: that he improved his skills through streams, physical game analysis, and so on... I don't think that excuse will work. I don't know why he decided to play, maybe to mock, or maybe he just has nothing else to do... But in the tournament, NEWCOMERS will be playing, not players with good experience...

The process of learning to play Heroes has noticeably accelerated now. There are VoDs, streams, micro-guides. If you have a brain, you can learn to play at an intermediate level very quickly and beat the field of this tournament.

That is to say, it's possible to learn to play quickly and strongly and catch up to the level of many players in a very short time.

Of course you can!!! But still, I think for that you need to move in the circle of Heroes players?
Or is it enough to just watch streams, train with a friend who has 0 experience playing online.

Scorpiona (16:30:12 15/01/2012)
where did you play before?
Kilgor (16:30:45 15/01/2012)
didn't play at all, only with a guy on Hamachi we started playing about 3-4 months ago
Kilgor (16:32:02 15/01/2012)
Antoshko
Kilgor (16:32:12 15/01/2012)
he doesn't play online at all
Kilgor (16:30:56 15/01/2012)
but before that I have a lot of experience playing with the computer
Kilgor (16:31:57 15/01/2012)
and I learned to psyche people out on streams

Do you think that playing against computers replaces playing against experienced people and is perfectly suitable for training to get a sufficiently experienced level of play?:confused: :smile32:

I watched the saves, there aren't 70 cyclopes, but around 50. With lightning for 400+ and 5 angels it's quite doable.

+1 I, with a level 10 Grindan with 10 Manticores, took down around 30 regular bears. What's worse about a max Conservatory? The same oil and Efreets systematically dismantle Griffins.

Juristis, Vatya, guys, tell me, have you been browsing the forums for a long time? Or did you just watch some streams and immediately go ahead to handle the treasure zone in the second week?

17.01.2012 The_Bloody_fighter (red, swamp, tazar, galthran) def Charizard (blue, tower, torosar, torosar) 2SM4d(3) 1.2.6
Took all the rest + tech.
111 - on the first day I scout, I see 2 crypts, 2 dwarf cottages.
No lizard dwelling upgrade, in the tavern I see Vistan + Stracker (an amazing combo). Galthran arrives luckily.
All following days until 116 I take 2 crypts and accumulate skeletons.
116 - I break through to the passage, there's a bug, total mess, no castle, absolutely nothing!!!
117 - I run to the portal, and behind it are medusas - a failure on the first try, though I managed to hire something in the castle.
121 - I take the dwarf cottage for 5000, run into the portal, where I lose the duck.
Then I clear out the necro zone a bit, after that GO to the dome and to the citadel zone. Along the way, 1 dwarf cottage at my own respawn, then at the citadel's, I bought the last troops, and seeing that the opponent was still in the visible zone, I attacked, where I would win. Thanks for the game!

Juristis, Vatya, guys, have you been browsing the forums for a while? Or did you just watch some streams and immediately jump in to try and fix things in the second week?

Girls, I was talking about overcoming this guard, as such, and not about the level of skill required for it. There's no need to get angry with us.

17.01.2012. JustObserver (blue, Tower, Neela, Charna) def Browser (Red, Citadel, Gurni, Gurni) 2SM4d(3) 146 Group A

111 - 6 heroes, captured a Dwarf Cottage on turn 15, a crypt, another one visible, an external dwelling of genies, Shiva with 5th attack and Expert attack. For 20-49 green dragons - a Pandora's Box. Nagash already hired, in the tavern - Charna and Xi, joking about how the layout hints...
112 - external dwelling of gremlins, I see a Dwarf Cottage and a Griffin Conservatory. All the resources needed for nagas are within reach. Almost all blocks are shooter blocks (including those for all secondary skills), so Charna was hired first due to Tactics.
113 - Dwarf Cottage on turn 15, Shield +3. Finally opened a non-shooter passage to the grass secondary zone. Charna is getting Necromancy advanced...
114 - ...and Expert! - The choice is made.
115 - scouted the Griffin Conservatory - a single one.
117 - 50 skeletons, Nagash is preparing to take the crypt with growth, Neela - the Griffin Conservatory, Charna - to go out to the grass. Nagas are in the Citadel.

121 - everything according to plan - 130 gremlins and 60 skeletons go to conquer the grass, the angel moves towards Nagash.
122-126 - Nagash with the angel clears the native rest, Charna with the main army - the grass (Castle). Towards the end, kills 50-99 lizards guarding the external dwelling of genies and positions herself under the Pandora's Box.
126 - in the Pandora's Box - 15 Arch Magi! Nagas are upgraded, and I am ready... to break into another secondary zone!
127 - Castle. 200 skeletons.

132 - captured the native secondary zone, too bad it's so late... however, along the way another external dwelling of genies appears. A lot of low-level guardians.
133 - I break into the treasure zone, the first obstacle - 50-99 Magi before the Pandora's Box.
134 - and indeed 99 Magi... losses - 3 nagas and an angel... with negative morale (my own) I went for the Golden Bow and a prison guarded by 20-49 Beholders (30 with a gr. stack) and with negative morale (on the nagas) I lost another 2 nagas, well, and gremlins had to be sacrificed... In the prison - Tyraxor, level 20 - Expert Attack, Tactics, Logistics, Air, Wisdom, (First Aid?), (Ballistics?). Useless junk...
135 - captured one external dwelling of genies.
137 - captured the second external dwelling of genies, Tyraxor is broken to enter the treasure zone from the grass spawn. Charna just stomps back for current needs. At home, upgraded genies and giants. 330 skeletons (the bears were still not very kind)

141 - 144 - recaptured the necessary resources and a couple of crypts, did some necromancy, obtained the Bowstring - a decent boost to Charna's Expert Archery. Finally, Tyraxor moved out towards the Dragon Utopia.
145 - after breaking through 2 guards, Tyraxor gains a level-up and the choice - Scouting or Pathfinding, which evokes utter contempt for his person and relegates him to the rank of a nothing-special noob. Charna prepares to show the dog-breeder how to actually clear the treasure zone.
146 - I see how Gurni breaks through the ГО - 100-249 Thunderbirds and 20-49 Angels and stands on the Well near my castle. The right button says there is a very funny army there, but when a test attack by Lacus goes in, it turns out there is Tactics not upgraded there as well, and all the troops are 1 Dog, 13 Birds, and 6 Grey Bears... I break my army, gather troops, attack, and win. Thank you for the game! (the opponent's skills and army are not entirely accurate)

16/17.01.2012 group D Targat (red, swamp, Wystan/Fiur) def MOM (blue, Stronghold, Tyraxor/????) 2SM4d(3) 214
Took 1 restart on 113, opponent on 111
on the 1st I broke through to the Conflux secondary, but reached the castle around the end of the week, at the respawn there was an external dwelling of lizards, 2 conservatories, Naga Bank, Dwarf Cottage, beehive, on the secondary there were as many as 4 conservatories, in the Conflux there were Storm Elementals and I decided to build birds, since I seemed to have enough money, on the 1st I built a Wyvern in the castle, on the 2nd I built birds in the secondary, bought everything up and cleared the beehives and conservatories, on the 3rd-4th week I captured another Rampart secondary, there I also took 4 conservatories and an utopia (Boots of Speed +2, Rider's Gauntlets), decided not to delay the fattening and rushed at 39 red dragons with a upgraded stack, since I hadn't seen the opponent at all, lost 4 birds, 5 Wyverns, 5 hats and some miscellaneous, the next day I attacked his folder in his castle, a mass Haste, 16 Angels and a bolt for 250 decided it, although the opponent had a very decent army

17.01.2012 The_Bloody_fighter (red, swamp, Tazar, Galtran) def Charizard (blue, Tower, Torosar, Torosar) 2SM4d(3) 1.2.6
Grabbed all rests + tech.
111 - on the first day I scout, I see 2 crypts, 2 Dwarf Cottages.
No Lizard upgrade, in the tavern Vistan + Straker (an incredible combination). Galtran arrives luckily.
All following days until 116 I take 2 crypts and accumulate skeletons.
116 - I break through to the passage, there's a nasty bug, no Castle, nothing at all!!!
117 - I run to the portal, and behind it are Medusas - a bust on the first, even the Wyvern couldn't manage the Castle.
121 - I take a Dwarf Cottage for 5000, run to the portal, where I lose the duck.
Then I clear the Necro zone a bit, after which ГО into the home zone and onto the Citadel zone. On the way, 1 Dwarf Cottage on my own respawn, then on the Citadel one, bought the last troops, and seeing that the opponent was still in the visible zone, I attacked, where I won. Thanks for the game!

Group D
I confirm: all situations in rests were better than what turned up at the end: the road - only to the portal, gold was enough for upgrades 2,3, Mage Guild,4,Citadel,6. And that's all... 3 external dwellings of Gremlins and an external dwelling of Mages saved me. On 112 I broke through many Nomads in the portal, jumped there and saw a pack of upgraded Basilisks. Felt sick... On the 2nd week, as soon as I got all the Gremlins and 8 Mages, I went for the Basilisks (Gremlins >200). Underground I immediately ran into the opponent's secondary and rushed to the nearest Dwarf Cottage 20 stack. I brought up freshly recruited Nagas and the opponent attacked me. I had 17 Mages, 5 Nagas and 200 Gremlins, he had 8 Basilisks, 5 Wyverns and 250 Skeletons + his hero's attack and defense stats were 4 higher. In the end I lost.
Thanks for the game!

Group E
17.01.12. Messiah (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti) def marader-kisa (Red, Fortress, Bron) 2SM4d(3) 213
Right away, the Troglodyte dwelling was under the town and a Griffin Conservatory 1, upgraded Troglodytes just killed a stack of griffins, handled it beautifully), then leveling with the angel was easier. By day 7, I had 1-4, 6 citadel + portal and captured the Conflux, scouted a dragon cave with 20+ manticores, left it for week 2, found a sword +3 and shield +4.
On week 2, another +1 angel, expert Earth, I rush to learn Slow and immediately go for the dragons. All good, then into the monolith for monks, there's a swamp and 2 more Griffin Conservatories. I take them on 131, they give 2+2 angels, total 6, nearby a hive +8. In the swamp I found a dwarf treasure and a naga bank, I build dragons for the income, wyverns in the fortress. No gold for buying, I plan to head into the underground for the Conflux counting on a utopia. There's a naga bank, library.. everything goes according to plan, but I see via scouting Kyrre and then Bron heading towards the Conflux, Bron with 5+ angels and 20+ wyverns clearing hives along the way. I prepare for the worst, build a chain back, but on the next turn Bron turns back. Dodged a bullet). I continue scouting the underground, there are a few more hives scattered inconveniently, and a conservatory +2. I took what I could and then Bron pops out of the forest from a Dimensional Door and sets up under the Conflux. From the Conflux to my Dungeon along the road is a stone's throw away, and I still haven't found a utopia, nothing to buy troops with.. In an emergency, I build a chain and prepare to fight, in the Dungeon a guild level 4 — there's Portal! Bron captures the Conflux, rides towards the Dungeon and teleports to his own. On my turn, I move the army along the chain to the Conflux, split Shakti, learn Portal, double my mana, and take the army from the Conflux. Dodged another bullet). A lull.
Then I finally find a utopia, there's a Book of Air and I immediately reach the 2nd Dimensional Door. Bron flies into my town carrying off 60 harpies. On the next turn, I attack:
Shakti (18, 24, 19, 16/264) 7 angels, 12 black dragons, 25 wyverns, 16 scorpicores, 34 medusas, 64 eyes, 15 minotaurs.
Bron (13, 14, 7, 10/70) 8 angels, 8 hydras, 30 upgraded wyverns, under 30 bulls, 70+ lizards, 18 basilisks, 3 serpents.
I cast Slow, Shield, Lightning (first one on the bulls didn't work — resistance) Bron casts Explosion 2 times with Earth Sphere and Heal when mana ran out.
By round 4, the stat advantage took its toll. A very hard victory.
Thanks for the game!