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Offline Happy Life
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Being a good Mafia player is a talent! It's a genuine, natural inclination of the intellect, a gift given to a person from above, and not everyone receives it. All sorts of losers like to justify themselves by saying that they don't play to win, but just to have a good time, but this is all self-deception and autosuggestion; they're stuck in their own low-level swamp. A Mafia god effortlessly analyzes the entire newspaper with one hand, while keeping the other on Wikipedia and Google. A Mafia lord sees all the threads, all the connections between people in the discussion, as well as instinctively senses which barber suits which player, among those he has found in the search engine. Stupid, casual Mafia players are obsessed with collective discussions, while a Mafia lord is a person free from being a hardcore gamer. Each analysis takes twenty minutes! A true Mafia master simply sits down at the screen, calmly turns on an anime from Naruto, and with a second deft movement, stirs sugar into a mug of coffee. Coffee serves as fuel for a mighty mind, speeding up blood flow through the veins and sharpening the senses, allowing for intense brainstorming, and sleep deprivation helps to think outside the box. What if the town's shooter intentionally killed a peaceful player? What if the Mafia took a risk and hit their own peaceful player? What if the serial killer has a gradual plan to eliminate victims? How will the crazy, bloodthirsty planner behave? Then the Mafia sensei takes out a sheet of paper and lays out a detective scheme on it, so that all the connections, clues, and details are more clearly visible. Where did Gur buy his weapon? Why is the serial number missing? How can he be blackmailed to get to the dealer? What was the motive of the killer of Nebo? What do the three shots from the pistol in the chest mean? All those little things that an ordinary Mafia player doesn't notice or misses are as clear as day to a Mafia general, because he possesses an unconventional mindset, which is not given to everyone. "No one expected such a turn of events," "the murder was committed with cruelty," "the killer caught up with the victim in her apartment" - a true Mafia professional never rejects any piece of text, and therefore sees clues where two dozen amateur Mafia players cannot find them, because he has a flexible and logical mind, and the game of Mafia is built on logic. Let the mediocre Mafia players console themselves with not winning but participating, or just playing, but the Mafia ruler knows that as much as a person is not smart in the game, so much is he stupid in life.
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Vis, Jack, and here, answer me this: what do you think about people who, for the hundredth time, play Generals, Halva, Dota, Mafia in real life, and haven't learned anything except trolling?
Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.
Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи
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Alright guys, calm down, Hosse is just trolling you all, as always.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Offline Wistrit
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Vis, Jack, but answer me this: what do you think about people who play Generals, Halva, Dota, Mafia in real life for the hundredth time and haven't learned anything except trolling?
Where did you find such people, and what do they have to do with the discussion?
I feel neutral about them.
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Trolls, they're always around. When they're on your team and their lack of skill is glaringly obvious, it's depressing. But when it comes to communication, just ignore them – trolls thrive on your attention and aggression, so don't give them a chance to survive.

By the way, I didn't quite understand the connection between trolls and the mafia in real life...
ВАГИАНТ!Отчасти вампир, отчасти гигант.
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I'm not talking about trolls... I'm talking about those who don't progress and stay in one place, not even trying to push themselves further.
Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.
Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи
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Offline Nyashechka Kavai
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God forbid, if it's even slightly different, you won't be allowed into the games because of your inflated ego.
DON'T LET HIM IN, LOL. My life doesn't depend on it.
(but only in this Mafia game with clues, I'm afraid you'd get your ass kicked in real life, especially against me and Toriy)
LOL WHAT? Ahah, me and Noil would tear you apart.
but that doesn't give you the right to be selfish.
All people are selfish. Accept it.
But I was very surprised that other players also think I played poorly, but I at least did something!
Who's talking about an inflated ego?
Besides, why get so upset about the word "nerdiness"?
I wasn't upset. I told Vissy that his point of view is wrong. Because you can't become a "nerd" in Mafia without a foundation in the form of a DEVELOPED INTELLECT.
Of course, because people don't play here for the sake of the game, not for the sake of mastering the mechanics, and not even for the sake of winning.
You also need to play for the sake of the game intelligently, didn't you know? I understand that you base your conclusions about the unimportance of intelligence in Mafia on your own game and then stubbornly stick to your opinion, but in reality, it's not like that.
What breadth of thinking? To read a newspaper 20 times, Google all possible words, and compare the result with each profile? Yes, that's not nerdiness, you sneaky little bastard!
You don't even know what breadth of thinking is. What are we even talking about? Will you understand the explanation that "breadth of thinking is the consideration of all NIs in newspapers, votes, individual messages, and the comparison of these facts for analysis"?
it is only achieved not by honing techniques, tricks, and tactics, but by long-term analysis and rereading a lot of text.
It is only achieved not by nerdiness, but by mental activity. You contradicted yourself.
THE COMMONER IS ALWAYS NOT YOU, THE NERD IS ALWAYS NOT YOU, THE SMART PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE, AHHAHA, GOOD JOB, GUYS.
Did I deny that I'm a Mafia nerd?))
And your Half-Life with trained reaction and knowledge of game aspects turns into a scroll shooter. And this is based on what I've seen of real Half-Life pros playing.

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Offline Dgak
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LOL WHAT? Haha, Noel and I would totally crush you.
Naive slave. You won't know unless you try!

Thor, who here isn't trying to reach for the stars?
ВАГИАНТ!Отчасти вампир, отчасти гигант.
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Offline Wistrit
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You have to play for the sake of playing wisely too, didn't you know? I understand that you base your conclusions about the unimportance of intelligence in mafia on your own play and then stubbornly stick to your guns, but in reality that's not the case.
Provide a quote where I said intelligence isn't important in mafia? Or сам_знаешь_кто. A clear quote, not speculation.
I meant that most people don't play to show that they're "OLOLO INTELLECT OVER NINE THOUSAND ))))))))))))". YOU ALSO NEED TO DO IT WISELY, THANKS FOR EXPLAINING, HOW DID PEOPLE EVEN LIVE BEFORE.
You don't even know what breadth of thinking is. What is there to talk about with you? Will the explanation "breadth of thinking is taking into account all NDs in newspapers, votes, individual messages and comparing these facts for analysis" ever get through to you?
You didn't even understand a simple rhetorical device, what is there to talk about with you? I wrote the same thing to you, just without the pompousness. But no, Mr. IQ100500, just like Vanya 94lvl SUCKIT, writes his own stuff again, ignoring what's already been written.
It is achieved not through grinding, but through mental activity. You contradicted yourself.
It can't get any sadder. "Mental activity" shown over several hours of newspaper analysis is not grinding, mental activity shown during a game of anything else is grinding. What were you saying about narrow one-track thinking?
Ask the majority of HeroesWorld players how long they ANALYZE the newspaper and such:)
And your Half-Life with trained reflexes and knowledge of game aspects turns into a scrolling shooter. And this is based on what I've seen of how real pro-skilled Half-Life players play.
Give proof with a breakdown of game details, I'm very curious to see how someone unskilled in shooters reviews a serious match.
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Offline Thorium
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Wow, what a post, Vis! But writing such a lengthy post for the Mafia and banning Hostor like Anta – religion doesn't allow it.
Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.
Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи
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Offline Nyashechka Kavai
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Naive slave. If you don't check, you won't know!
Well, go smoke your tuna then. I have enough from a couple of games here and on FLG to draw conclusions)
A clear quote, not speculation.
OK, Wissy, loss accepted. You did NOT say it WORD FOR WORD CLEARLY.
I meant that most people don't play to show "OLOLO INTELLECT OVER NINE K ))))))))))))". YOU NEED TO USE YOUR HEAD TOO, THANKS FOR EXPLAINING HOW PEOPLE LIVED BEFORE.
Was I talking about playing to demonstrate intellect? The game itself demonstrates it. If you're a sensible person, then your play is sensible, with understanding and desire. But if you're a no-brain, then you're a useless player, shouting nonsense, ruining the game for everyone and letting the team down. That's what I meant.
I wrote you the same thing, just without the pomposity.
PROOF OR SODOMY!
Mental activity shown during a game directed at anything else is tryharding.
Did you write about creating new techniques and tactics? Oh, no. Over there it's POLISHING. GOING DOWN A RUT, JUST WITH INCREASING SPEED. AUTOMATION. MOUSE CLICKS OVER 2 MILLION PER SECOND. CHAMPION OF STARCRAFT IN THE KOREAN DIVISION. I AM SMART, OLOLO! There it is, your logical chain. Come on, write again about how you meant something completely different and other contortions, just for the sake of arguing.
Ask the majority of HeroesWorld players how much they ANALYZE the newspaper and such
Why should I ask when it's obvious anyway? The picture is disheartening, BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PROVE IN DEED THAT THEY ARE SMART, FOR GOD'S SAKE! Everyone is chosen only in words. "I can do it just like Gil!", "My trash is the coolest trash in the world!", "I'll figure everyone out by psychology right now!"...
Tell me, Wissy, why does no one live up to this boasting? If a person is too lazy to spend AN HOUR a day on thoughtful game analysis - where is the damn fun and playing for the game's sake?) Please answer me that.
Give proof with a breakdown of the game details, I'm very curious to see how an unskilled fps player reviews a serious match.
Replay that match for me - and I'll explain to you as accurately as possible what makes me think so badly of Halo.
That's quite a wall of text, Wiss, and writing a similarly large post in Mafia and hanging Hostor as Anti isn't allowed by your religion?
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Offline Wistrit
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Okay, Vissy, the rant has been acknowledged. Just make sure you don't contradict yourself.
Well, it's just embarrassing. How can this be? A person who, just a couple of posts ago, was talking about one-dimensional thinking, is now saying, "BUT HOW WILL I FIND THE EXACT WORD FOR WORD WHEN YOU DIDN'T SAY IT?" The rant has been acknowledged, yes, you're right.
Was I talking about a game to demonstrate intelligence? The game itself demonstrates it. If you're a reasonable person, then the game is reasonable, with understanding and desire.
Well, judging by the latest posts, yes, that's the impression you get.
You're shouting nonsense, ruining the game for everyone, and letting the team down.
lol x))
PROOF OR SODOMITE!
Proof of what? Proof of my post from the previous page?
Did you write about creating new techniques and tactics? Oh, no. You're just perfecting them. You're following a well-trodden path, only the speed is increasing. Automation. Over 2 million mouse clicks per second. A champion in StarCraft in the Korean division. I'm smart, lol! Here's your logical chain. Now, go ahead and write here about how you meant something completely different and other perversions, just to argue.
LOL, I'm saying that all the noobs, LOL, constantly spout the same nonsense over and over again, the game in the game is endless, my tactics don't change, I analyzed the newspapers for an hour, then two, then twelve, then I shout again that all the noobs are saying nonsense, and then I analyze the newspaper for twelve hours again, my ability to say nonsense has reached perfect automation, and the ability to analyze the newspaper for twelve hours has made me so powerful that I can write something meaningful, and everyone believes me, which allows me to keep writing nonsense and keep doing it over and over again, game after game, ten times in a row, twenty-five, fifty. I'm a genius, my IQ is six hundred, Einstein is resting. I don't play your StarCrafts because you have to click the mouse and there are a lot of units, there's no variety, it's all the same. And shooters are even worse, it's all about reaction, anyone can do it.
Why should I ask if it's obvious? The picture is depressing, BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PROVE IN PRACTICE THAT HE IS SMART, DAMN IT! Everyone is chosen only in words. "I can do it like Gil!", "My trash is the coolest trash in the world!", "I'll figure everyone out with psychology now!"...
So, tell me, Vissy, why doesn't anyone justify this arrogance? If a person is too lazy to spend an HOUR a day on thoughtful analysis of the game, what kind of fun and playing for the sake of the game is there?) Answer me, PLEASE.
If you compare the time spent analyzing the newspaper with the information obtained from it, then all the geniuses and Einsteins are here. Everyone has their own fun, some grind characters to dominate, some just play, some donated two hundred thousand rubles and also dominate, getting fun. The one who dominates everyone is very smart, isn't he?
Recreate that match for me, and I'll explain to you as accurately as possible what makes me think so badly about Halfe.
The video is, of course, mediocre, but let's go.
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Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Okay, everyone here might be a bit dense, but your game, Hos, wasn't always perfect either. As I recall, in game 31, you let the team down more than once (and even then, no one was calling you a "noob" or anything, even though they could have, but they didn't). And in game 34, almost all of your conclusions were wrong. But no, you didn't admit you were wrong; instead, you just resorted to the classic accusation of "noobs and losers."
I have a perfectly normal attitude towards you, but I don't understand why you're creating so much negativity. For example, I don't particularly enjoy playing in such an environment.
If someone plays poorly, it doesn't mean they need to be constantly reminded of it or labeled an "imbecile." People play as they can (or want to); no one owes anyone anything here.
Что такое осень - это небо
Плачущее небо под ногами
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Offline Nyashechka Kavai
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Well, judging by the latest posts, yes, that's the impression I get.
But we'll keep our speculations to ourselves, right? Okay, let's discuss it.
Proof of what? Proof of my post from the previous page?
Proof that your post says the same thing. It's obvious.
If you compare the time spent analyzing the newspaper with the information obtained from it, then everyone here is a genius and an Einstein.
That's an exaggerated point of view. If a person has minimal understanding, they won't be able to analyze it even if they spend 40 hours.
Everyone has their own fun; some grind characters to dominate, some just play, some donate two hundred thousand rubles and also dominate, getting their fun. The one who dominates everyone is very smart, right?
The comparison with PvP is silly. Completely different mechanics. + In Mafia, you can't buy brains with donations.
The video is, of course, mediocre, but let's go.
Okay.
In the first few seconds, he uses the cannon, flies into the sky, and hovers there for half the match, filming the little people running around on the ground from the same cannon to maintain flight and maneuver, or using a crossbow. That's the strategy. Only 2 weapons are actually used - the cannon and the crossbow. The rest of the weapons are only used for fun.
They all know the respawn points and can eliminate a revived player in a millisecond from some special angle at the slightest sound.
And they constantly demonstrate knowledge of all the features and repeat them until they succeed.

I'm not saying that there's no skill in Half-Life and that you don't need a brain to play, but it requires an order of magnitude less skill than in Mafia.

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As far as I remember, in game 31, you let the team down, and not just once (And even though this happened, no one called you a noob or a loser, although they could have, but they didn't).
Let's not talk about game 31, okay? Otherwise, I'll upset Wissy again.
And in game 34, almost all of your conclusions were wrong. But no, you didn't admit your mistake, but instead, as always, resorted to the classic accusation of "noobs and losers."
Lol, what? In game 34, I admitted my mistake. But it was dictated by the circumstances, because in that situation, there was no better option. I wrote to you in the thread more than once about the mistakes that prompted me to make incorrect conclusions, and I mentioned the other reasons for my mistakes. What's wrong?
For example, I don't particularly enjoy playing in such an environment.
If a person plays poorly, it doesn't mean that they should be constantly reminded of it or labeled an "imbecile." People play however they want, and no one owes anyone anything.
If a person doesn't want to play well and doesn't want to learn to play well, I don't enjoy the game. Well, you know, it's a naive dream - every player shares smart thoughts, there are calm discussions, long-term plans are devised, and elaborate schemes are carried out. But that's not the case, and it's not expected to happen. And therefore, in the absence of my own fun, I am free to do whatever I want within the rules. I constructively criticize, and I also stir up negativity. Problem? Sue me.
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