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I'm for groups; the first 64 people will be divided into groups, and the rest will be on standby. About 6 people will drop out on the first day because they won't be able to play for various reasons, and then we'll start.

We'll get tired of playing groups here. It will turn into a year-long tournament if we think about it and compare it to the time and number of games of similar tournaments.

If you think about it, the tournament schedule depends the least on the tournament format: the chamber tournament has been running for a long time, even though it uses a double-elimination format.

Hello, I registered specifically to say: play with groups, I'm a viewer from sc2tv.ru. The more games, the more streams.
gogo romariogrom and amiloo

A good option is to run the tournament using the "Swiss system".
Pros:
1. Maintains suspense - the winner is unknown until the last round, and there may be many contenders.
2. Players of approximately equal strength meet in the games.
3. It is possible to withdraw from the tournament without any negative consequences, and even to join the tournament after it has started.
4. The rating takes into account the difference between a real victory and a victory due to the opponent's absence.
Cons:
1. The judge has a lot of responsibility when drawing the games.
2. There is more luck involved in the later rounds.

Message from Sevan_80:
What about broadcasting the draw? Is it really possible?

Dirty Player will broadcast the draw, as my internet connection is slow and I cannot stream.


The players want to play, and many realistically assess their strength and understand that they will pass through at most 1-2, or a maximum of 3 rounds in a double-elimination format, so it would not be fair to deprive them of one game. We decided that there will be 16 groups of 5 people each, and if some groups do not have 5 people, then some will have 4. Two players who take 1st and 2nd place will advance from each group. Who will be lucky or unlucky will be determined by the draw, which will not be "blind". Dirty Player will write the specifics and nuances of the tournament rules, as well as explanations of the draw, in the 4th post of the topic.

The tournament starts on October 1. Late registration will be held for groups that are not full, if any. If more than 80 people sign up, they will be placed on the waiting list in case of replacements. Replacements will not be made after the group stage. If someone wants to withdraw from the tournament after they have already started scoring points in the next round, that player will also not be replaced. Their place will go to the player lower in the group.

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A good option for running the tournament using the "Swiss system".
Pros:
1. Maintains intrigue - the winner is not known until the last round, and there may be many contenders.
2. Players of approximately equal strength meet in the games.
3. It is possible to withdraw from the tournament and even join the tournament after the start without any problems.
4. Victory over a real opponent is taken into account in the rating, unlike victory by default.
Cons:
1. The judge has a lot of responsibility when drawing the games.
2. There is more luck in the last rounds.

In the Swiss system, winners and losers are more or less fairly determined, but in the middle of the tournament table, the places are often not distributed accurately enough. Due to the small total number of matches, it sometimes happens that two winners who have scored the same number of points do not meet each other during the tournament. The winner has to be determined by additional coefficients, which, of course, is not as interesting as the final match of the contenders in other systems.

If there is a significant difference in strength between the participants in the tournament, a significant part of the matches, especially in the first rounds, turn out to be predictable - despite the division into groups by rating, players of too different classes often end up in the same group initially.

Another technical problem is how to deal with withdrawn participants (in the paper version of drawing up the brackets). If one of the players withdraws during the tournament, the participant who is supposed to play against the withdrawn player simply receives a point, as for a victory. This is unfair, but there is no other way - in the Swiss system, it is impossible to act as in a round-robin, where the result of the withdrawn player is canceled if he has played less than half of the scheduled rounds, and in other cases, those with whom he did not play are awarded a point. In the Swiss system, it is impossible to cancel the results of previous rounds, as in this case some players will lose one game, and that is why it is introduced if it is known for sure that everyone will play every match. It is also impossible to award points for unplayed matches. A similar problem arises with an odd number of participants in the tournament: one technical victory has to be awarded in each round (although to the player with the fewest points).

In the computer version, there is a "bad weather" problem: if a large number of participants withdraw (voluntarily) at the same time, pairs have to be drawn manually, which requires more experience (it is impossible to repeat matches between two players who have already played each other).

In tournaments using the Swiss system, artificial (agreed) draws are possible and, in some cases, desirable for players. The ground for them is created when players of approximately the same level meet, each of whom has a position in the tournament table that suits him. In this case, it is not beneficial for the players to play to win, because in a tough game, the probability of losing is higher, and therefore they can significantly lose points. This situation provokes the opponents to an explicit or "silent" agreement: start the game, play easily and without exacerbation, and agree to a draw, regardless of the situation. As a result, both players will receive half a point, preserving their position without unnecessary risk, usually hoping to get points in matches with weaker opponents.

I think a lot of people would be interested in watching the draw, but as far as I know, only about 10 people watch the broadcasts. Maybe it would be better to do a stream? That way, it would be saved for those who can't watch at the moment but would really like to.

I think a lot of people would like to watch the draw, but as far as I know, only about 10 people watch the broadcasts. Maybe it would be better to do a stream? And it will be saved for those who can't watch at the moment but would really like to.

It's not a problem to do a stream; there are 5 streamers at the tournament, the main thing is to warn them/agree in advance.

I think a lot of people would like to watch the draw, but as far as I know, only about 10 people watch the broadcasts. Maybe it would be better to do a stream? And it will be saved for those who can't watch at the moment but would really like to.

Yes, I agree. I talked to the guys from SK2TV a bit. I think we'll switch to streams, at least for some of the games.

Attention! There are 4 days left until the start. All registered players must write a confirmation of their participation in the tournament and their ability to play in the tournament. Write to me on ICQ.

Next to the players who have confirmed their participation, there will be a checkmark next to their ICQ.

Swamp
Tazar
cmka, jebus, 6lm10 (and 2 any, I won't list 1 of them, I'm somewhat familiar with 8mm6, 8xm12 templates)
icq 473511320

question: how do I play with players from other countries?

question: how do you play with foreigners?

To communicate and understand each other, you can use Google Translate: http://translate.google.ru/

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Swamp
Tazar
smka, jebus, 6lm10 (and 2 any, 1 I can't quite write them, I'm somewhat familiar with 8mm6, 8xm12 templates)
icq 473511320

Template 6lm10 and 6lm10a are different. For now, only 2 of your templates can be used in the tournament. Contact me on ICQ.

Wouldn't it be possible to hold the draw on Friday evening so as not to waste valuable game time?

I meant all templates with a, 6lm10a, 8mm6a, 8hm12a
In total, 5 maps: cm, jebus, 6lm10a, 8mm6a, 8hm12a.

If you think about it, the tournament duration depends the least on the tournament format: the chamber tournament has been running for a while now, and it's a double-elimination format.

Well, all other things being equal, it's faster to connect with 2-3 opponents than with 4, right?

Yes, I decided to switch from Fortress to Dungeon; otherwise, I won't be able to play in the VT.

I suggest we do the draw NOW, as it's not very enjoyable for 70 people to wait 2-3 days.

We can leave some spots open as a reserve, just in case. Put a checkmark next to my name.