Drow versus Sylvan. — Dungeon

wolfkill3r

9/11/2011 4:41 PM UTC

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Hello everyone. I've read a lot here and found many useful things, but I couldn't find anything about the confrontation between the Dark Elves and the Light factions. My friend and I just started playing Heroes 5 and are not very experienced in it. We started a GSC map, a large one, 1v1, with heroes. His hero is a Battle Mage specializing in Battle Discipline, and mine is a Sorceress. He will be focusing on Creature Skills. We plan to play for at least 3 months. I'm thinking of developing the following skills:
1. Expertise in Darkness, what skills should I focus on in this branch?
2. Expertise in Luck, I think without any sub-skills.
3. Logistics Expertise: Keen Mind, Scouting.
I also want to develop Empathy. Right now, I don't have the opportunity to see exactly how to develop it. What do you think?

PINOCHET911

9/11/2011 7:48 PM UTC

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I would personally take Sinithar and go with 7 hunters on him, and retreat when only one hunter remains. This would thin out the opponent and then finish them off, shaking his head after the impact on the lid of the traitor's coffin, a symbol of the demise of forest democracy! It's better to take Sinithar with spells like Chaos, Attack, Logistics, and Education, although what are you hoping for more – magic? Then you should be sure that the enemy won't focus on defense. Again, I would level up as a warrior with Battle Spirit, Attack, Chaos, Irresistible Magic, Spellcasting, Battle Spirit, and Logistics (so as not to fall behind in development), and raise everything else with artifacts. Be afraid of Wingael! – therefore, I advise you to take Battle Spirit (there is an ability there – an aura of speed from gathering troops – so that you can immediately throw the lizards into the thick of the battle and the girls, preferably furies, as they go more often – if you are going to base your strategy on this, then it is better to take Sorgal) so that your followers of darkness do not fall too far behind in the course of the battle. I don't see any point at all in Leto – darkness is not suitable for a dark elf.

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wolfkill3r

9/12/2011 4:49 AM UTC

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Thanks for the advice :) But the game has already started, and we agreed on a non-aggression pact for 3 turns. I need to see if mentorship and empathy can be combined or not. In my opinion, Darkness against Elves is better than Chaos, especially in the late game. I hope that Letos will force the opponent to remove their Time mages first. As I understand it, if unicorns stand next to archers, neither the ability nor any other magic will affect them, but I will be able to cast "Enchant" on the unicorns, and the archers will no longer be able to shoot, right? And I will start blinding everyone with unicorns. How is this as a battle tactic?

Ment

9/12/2011 6:56 AM UTC

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Hello everyone. I've read a lot here, found a lot of useful information for myself, but I couldn't find anything about the confrontation between the Drow and the Light factions. My friend and I just started playing the fifth game and are not very experienced in it. We started a GvG map, a large one, 1v1, with heroes. His main hero is a specialist in battle magic, and mine is a specialist in ranged attacks. He will be developing siege attack. We are playing with a minimum of 3 months.

If I understand correctly, the situation is this: against Wing playing as the Tower faction, with a minimum of three months. Then you can skip developing anything.
It would be better for you to:
1) set more or less decent conditions for yourselves (1 month or 2, but definitely not 3-4!).
2) everything PINOCHET911 wrote is correct. But I would change it a little: Sorgal -- main hero, develop his mentorship skill and take some secondary hero, for example, Sinistar, the main thing is that he has chaos, education, wizardry, and ranger skills (for the secondary hero). The main hero can have different options, but chaos is still, I think, preferable to darkness. You can choose summoning, then you won't have to struggle with unicorns.
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Regarding archers: of course, we eliminate them first with a rogue.

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wolfkill3r

9/12/2011 8:17 AM UTC

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He's not a Warlock, he's a specialist in dealing with dancers.

Ment

9/12/2011 9:35 AM UTC

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This is much better; then the chances are higher.

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wolfkill3r

9/12/2011 9:52 AM UTC

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strangely enough, my friend doesn't like it :) Hit and run won't work – we're playing on the same computer.

Ment

9/12/2011 1:47 PM UTC

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Gilraen isn't that bad, but dancers aren't very useful after the fourth month.

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wolfkill3r

9/13/2011 8:35 PM UTC

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And the Berserk skill isn't available for Matriarchs :(

PINOCHET911

9/14/2011 5:10 AM UTC

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wolfkill3r, you really want everything from life, don't you? I remember when Vinrush defended Cyris-Talla for me, and at level 24, he had 22 defense without visiting the arena. O_o He was a beast, just like Wing (if 1.5 months is the benchmark, then the tactic with the speed aura and dancers at the forefront, attacking two enemies at once, is terrifying). But waiting 4 months is nonsense; you might as well not even try. The evil element in Russia is a joke; they're like cushions for needles. Regarding unicorns, the main ability of a Warlock is to break through the opponent's magical defense – find the Sar-Issa staff and have fun against those pointy-eared traitors. Remember, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO INHABIT THE FORESTS! As for darkness, do you even know how often guilds summon Drow?! Regarding mentorship, that's a GOOD piece of advice – 2-3 random Drow constantly harassing the elves is a treat)!

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wolfkill3r

9/14/2011 11:44 AM UTC

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PINOCHET911

wolfkill3r, you really want everything from life) I remember how Vinrusha defended Cyris-Talla for me, and at level 24, he had 22 defense without visiting the arena O_o. He's as fierce as Wing (if 1.5 months is the benchmark – the tactic with the speed aura and dancers at the forefront of the attack, who hit two at once – it gives me the creeps just thinking about it), but waiting 4 months is nonsense; you might as well not even try. The element of evil in the Russian server is a joke; they're like cushions for needles. Regarding unicorns, the Warlock's main ability is to break the opponent's magic defense – find the Sar-Issa staff and have fun against those pesky elves. Remember, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO INHABIT THE FORESTS!) As for darkness, do you even know how often the Dark Pact spell is given in Drow guilds?! Regarding mentorship, that's a GOOD piece of advice – 2-3 random Drow constantly harassing the elves is a treat)!

Yes, I understand all of this :) The map is large, the monsters are strong, and there are at least 4 more free cities. But there are no artifacts on the map at all, for some reason... I know about magic; in the Tower, I have Chaos, Summoning, and Light spells. I'm counting on Subjugation, Berserk, and Vampirism in the battle with him. I just need to find them... If I take leadership, I'll go for Empathy; if not, I'll go for Mentorship. On such a map, you can reach level 15 even without a mentor. And the Matriarchs let me down :(

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another question. Does Readiness work only once? I mean, can each fighter only strike first once per battle?

PINOCHET911

9/14/2011 1:38 PM UTC

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It seems like the "readiness" skill works a lot. For example, if a Mountain Guard attacks a Fury, it gets a bonus before the first attack. And if a Hydra attacks after that, it also gets a bonus. If there's an infinite retaliate skill (like with Golems), the unit will keep getting the bonus before and after the attack. I was really surprised by this with Erling on the "Dragon Hoard" or "Dragon Utopia" map – it's designed for two players. I was playing on Veteran difficulty, and I reached the end in week 4 with a level 16 hero. I barely managed to defeat him. I decided to play as a hero, and Erling showed up in week 3 with level 22, readiness, Rune Harmony, Master Chaos, and Battle Spirit, while I was only level 9. Because of this, the Lizard doesn't move very well, and the Gnome gets a +25% movement bonus. It's more interesting to fight with the Gnome (just for future reference). Gnomes are cool, but they annoy me. Sorry for the off-topic.

wolfkill3r

9/15/2011 7:01 AM UTC

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the opponent surrendered without a fight :) my level 22 against his level 15. I found a magic shop, and in general, I was just going and defeating everything without any losses. Now we're starting again. I'm playing as a Dwarf, and he's playing as Haven. So, I'm switching to that. Thanks to everyone :)

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