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Yes, if there had been a Night Guard role block on Gil, I would have gladly voted against him, but this gap somehow makes me doubt Lizard, who is so confidently proving that Gil is Mafia. No, everything would be fine, but since yesterday, he has been arousing huge suspicions (personally for me, I don't know about the others).
kcfgogbfalgfl
15 years ago
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Your initiative is unsubstantiated.
And is your initiative to execute me proven?
What other proven initiative could there be?
WhiteLizard
15 years ago
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So, is it possible to eliminate a peaceful player without openly suggesting a candidate? Someone has to vote first and thus initiate the elimination. You failed to manipulate others, lol.
Anyone who initiates an execution acts according to this principle, and so do you, by the way. Do you know for sure that I'm a mafia/town member? If not, then it means you might be eliminating a town member, and in that case, you're no better than me in this regard. So, it's at least absurd to try to prove the absurdity of my accusations in this way. The only way to refute accusations more absurdly is to say:
Is your initiative to execute me provable? You say, "lol, it's a chance," but you're executing me based on the chance that I'm a serial killer, and using Berber-style, flimsy evidence. And, by the way, it doesn't matter to them who they execute – a townie or a real mafia member; they use their chance. So, there's no need to turn up your nose at that word.
Well, yes, I guess I misspoke; you're not calculating the probability, you're making an unfounded claim that you're a townie. I don't want to go too deep, the internet is slow.
The fact that three people are defending you doesn't say anything?
Notice, you didn't answer anything about the Guard's night action. You ignored it. But you did answer about the reason for your execution. Ignoring the fact that Neyra herself has already admitted that you're more likely a bad guy than a mafia member, and the evidence is Berber-style. It's beneficial to ignore that, isn't it?
And you're not making an unfounded claim that you're a townie, are you? Okay, you admitted your mafia affiliation. And should I quote the phrase, "Yes, Hos and I are mafia, game over"? :D
Yes, this is my team; be proud of your observation skills. x)
WhiteLizard
15 years ago
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No, everything would be fine, but since yesterday, he has been arousing great suspicion (personally, I don't know about the others).
Gray picture or INTUITION? :smile04:
Нэйко
15 years ago
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Can you prove your initiative to execute me? You say, "lol, it's just a chance," but you're actually executing me based on the chance that I'm a maniac, and using barbaric, psychopathic evidence. And, by the way, it doesn't matter to them who they execute – a citizen or a real maniac; they use their chance regardless. So, don't turn up your nose at that word.
Arandor advised you to talk to me about the chance. Don't you understand that I'm losing not "because of the chance," but because I'm firmly and confidently convinced that you're not a citizen? This is more the result of my analysis than the barbaric evidence from Hostor about being a maniac (but don't throw insults at me, saying that I can't analyze behavior). And if I was wrong about you, then I'm sorry, I won't dance on your grave, and I'll take responsibility for my vote, but I'm not responsible for others; they still have the right not to vote.
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What provable initiative are you talking about?
It's simple: don't execute based on a single status, especially when the guard's turn is actually absent.
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Gray picture or INTUITION?
It's both, what of it! :cool:
WhiteLizard
15 years ago
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Note that you didn't answer the question about the Guard's night action. You ignored it. But you did answer about the reason for your execution. Ignoring the fact that Neyra herself has already admitted that you are more likely a bad guy than a town member, and the evidence is circumstantial. It's beneficial not to consider that, right?
Yes, but you weren't blocked tonight, and the night action wasn't visible anyway, so I'm not considering that fact. It doesn't give you an alibi. And you and Neyra are already getting confused about what to accuse me of – one minute I'm a town member, the next I'm mafia, what's next, a communist and a snitch?
And you're not making baseless claims that you're a town member, are you? Okay, you admitted your own mafia affiliation. And in general, should I quote a phrase?
I'm not claiming, I'm suggesting, reread the post and you'll see the word "maybe," because everything is based on trust, I can't prove anything definitively, so I don't even try.
"Yes, Hos and I are mafia, game over"?
You said that sarcastically. Say it again seriously, or are you backing down? I ask the GM to pay attention, if a role reveal occurs, issue a MODKILL.
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Arandor advised you to pair up with me and discuss the chances. Isn't it clear that I'm not "giving up" because of the chances, but because I'm firmly convinced that you're not a town member? This is more the result of my analysis than circumstantial evidence from Hostor about being a serial killer (but don't throw insults at me, saying that I can't analyze behavior). And if I was wrong about you, I apologize, I won't dance on your grave and I'll take responsibility for my vote, but I'm not responsible for others; they still have the right not to vote.
What about Arandor? If you really have analytical evidence that I'm mafia, present it, otherwise your words are unsubstantiated guesses.
Нэйко
15 years ago
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Yes, but you weren't blocked tonight, and there was still no visibility, so I'm not taking that into account. It doesn't give you an alibi. And you and Neyra are already getting confused about what to accuse me of – one minute I'm a townie, the next I'm mafia, what's next, a communist and a snitch?
Well, based on your behavior, you could be either mafia or a townie. I initially listened to the snail from Hostor, but then I thought about it and realized that you're more likely a very evil doctor than a very crazy guard.
Actually, I'm tempted to call the team the "evil doctors," but that's clearly not the right answer, but still: Ar (okay, he's dead, and there's no doubt about that), Lizard, Reinhardt, Vistrite (maybe he's just messing around, so there aren't any particular complaints about him, although there are some suspicions about Revanka as well).
Yes, but you weren't blocked last night, and Night Watch still didn't see anything, so I'm not taking that into account. It doesn't give you an alibi. And you and Neyra are already getting confused about what to accuse me of – one minute I'm a townie, the next I'm mafia, what's next, a communist and a snitch?
I'm not claiming anything, I'm suggesting it, reread the post and you'll see the word "maybe," because everything is based on trust, I can't prove anything definitively, so I don't even try.
You said that sarcastically. Say it again seriously, or are you backing down? I ask the GM to pay attention, if a role reveal occurs, issue a modkill.
You think Night Watch didn't see anything. You're not taking into account that they might have used healing on me last night (and even I wouldn't have known about it, if you remember). Are we getting confused? Everything was stated quite clearly. Provide proof of the confusion, show where we got confused, otherwise it's a provocation. And where exactly am I "proving anything definitively"? I was just outlining different scenarios based on different possibilities for my role. Proof or provocation.Game 30. War of the Yakuza clans.
Gil and Hostor are mafia, game over.
I'm 100% serious. Is that all you have left, just provocations with the goal of getting rid of me with a modkill? x) That's just sad.
If Gill is Mafia, where was the Guard's Night Defense on the first night?
a) The Guard's Night Defense was on Arandore, the Priest was praying. "Peaceful" is not the same as "enlightened." b) Both Night Defenses were on Arandore, just as they assume about Hos today. If you support the "Gill is the Guard, 100%" version, then you should agree that there were 2 defenses on Hos today. So, there are options, and I'm not voting for Gill because I think he's either not the Guard or he's a psycho.
A question for Slonyash for clarification: if there were two defenses on one person, should the description somehow show that there were two, and not just one? And yes, does the newspaper show Benjamin Rush hitting a target with immunity to block in any way? Or is it just silence?
Нэйко
15 years ago
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What about Arandor? If you really have analytical evidence that I'm Mafia, present it; otherwise, your words are unsubstantiated guesses.
You're acting like Mafia, making baseless accusations: "that guy in the corner is suspicious, he must be Mafia!" - you're ruining a player whose role is quite obvious (show me another candidate for Town, and I might consider it), and you're referring to an "80% probability that Gil is Mafia." Okay, let's consider your probability. Question: where did the other 20% go? And now, should we ignore them when an obvious candidate for Mafia refers to the remaining 80%?
A question for Slonysh for clarification: if a character had two defenses, should the description somehow indicate that there are two, and not just one?
Yes, this is indicated because both defensive stats are listed as displayed in the newspaper.WishmasteR
And yes, does the newspaper somehow indicate that Benjamin Rush hit a target with immunity to block?
It is not displayed.
Нэйко
15 years ago
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And yes, Liz. Dr. Gill can’t possibly be the doctor, because he’s not stupid enough to take such a risk, so he’s either crazy or still a guard. And you’re clearly not crazy and unlikely to be that unfortunate guard. So, why would we eliminate someone who is less dangerous when we have you, the doctor/police officer (you could still be a police officer, but I don’t believe in miracles where snails are so easily exposed).
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Okay, I’m going to sleep, I’m not changing my mind, and I hope the day doesn’t end with a NNV.
WhiteLizard
15 years ago
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You think that ND wasn't visible. You don't take into account the fact that they could have used healing gymnastics on me last night (and even I wouldn't know about it if you remember).
Isn't this funny to you? Before, maybe, but with a very low probability, around 5%. So, I don't consider it. But for you, this weak thread is the main argument in your defense.
And where did I "prove anything definitively"? I was just describing different situations based on different variations of my roles. Proof or provocation.
You didn't read this post carefully. /topic/at/491451/ There, I already provided quotes where you stated unequivocally that you are from the city.
I am 100% serious. There's nothing left, only provocations aimed at getting rid of me using modkill? x) This is pathetic.
It's simply because I'm sure you won't make such a statement, as an immediate modkill awaits you. So, you gave yourself away with your careless quote.
Neira, how do you know that Arandor advised you to point out the chance?