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Don't you think you won't have enough votes to lynch Elephant? If you're so sure Rimp is Mafia, why don't you support the lynch? The evidence seemed to satisfy you, if I'm not mistaken. It's better to have -1 vote, which might save the game in the future.
I hope there are some reasonable town members who understand that there won't be enough votes for Elephant, and that most people just want to test the probability. So let's test it, by lynching Rimp, not Elephant. What exactly bothers you about this? Tell me. Is it because he won't be able to do anything anyway? But it's not about his actions, it's about the number of votes.

I've written this a hundred times. The fact that Rimp is suspected of being the Archer, while Elephant is either the Dancer or the Sorceress.
Rimp was poisoned, so he won't be able to do anything the next night. Rimp won't run away anyway. If we lynch Rimp, it's a Crescent Dance and a lost game. If we lynch the Dancer-Elephant, it's NOT a Crescent Dance and not a lost game. If we lynch Elephant-Sorceress, it's a loss of a strong role in any case, while the Archer, who is also neutralized, is the least useful role, so there's no point in choosing Rimp.
Do you get it? I won't change my vote. Most of the others won't either, because this option is much more reliable than your empty promises and intuitions.

Now tell me, will you stubbornly go for the Night Neutral Vote from the town, since you're such a great town analyst?

What do you think about Rimpel?

The clues fit too well, but it's actually insignificant because it could also be true (i.e., I'm leaning towards him being Mafia, if that's what you mean).(I wrote it confusingly, but whatever)
But overall, I think executing him TODAY is not rational, because you don't need to be afraid of him at night, and during the day, you still have to survive until then. And the probability of executing a Mafia member in the person of Oksana is more appealing to me.

P.S. And yes, your behavior seems a little strange to me, because your "peaceful" reasoning is missing, so I'm keeping you on the list of suspects, sorry.

We still have an hour.

Oh yeah, after adjusting the time, my forum time is ahead. But still, it's very little, we need to figure something out!

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If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get Rimpa banned and looking for votes for that. Why do you think? :/

It's already pointless with only an hour left, so your efforts are useless, admit it.

You said you wouldn't mind executing Rimpel. Will you join?

if there aren't enough votes for Slonysh.

(and Aru, who writes about "henchmen")

It was Morny who wrote this! x(

Now tell me – will you stubbornly go to the Night City Vote from the city, since you are such a wonderful urban analyst?

I'm not going to the Night City Vote, I'm going to vote for Rimple's execution.

Tako, you see that there are no more votes being added for Elephant, but some might switch their votes to Rimple. If you understand that he might be a Mafia member, why not?
There's nothing to apologize for, I perfectly understand how it all looks, but I won't just sit in silence out of fear of appearing like a Mafia member, while watching the city being eliminated.

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It's already useless an hour before the end of the day, so your efforts are useless, admit it.

I won't admit it! There's still Vish, who might agree, there's Ar, who will vote if necessary, as he himself said, and there's Zedzi, who hasn't voted yet! This isn't a Night City Vote, it's a real chance!

Alright, since that’s how it is, I’m in. Let’s cancel Arandor, execute Rimpel. Even though I don’t like it, I don’t believe in his mafia affiliation, just as I don’t believe in Slonysh’s.

I'm not going to the NNV, I'm going to Rimple's execution.

I won't change my vote. Most of the others won't either.

Now tell me – will you stubbornly insist on going to the NNV from the city, since you're such a wonderful urban analyst?

I won't change my vote. Most of the others won't either.

Now, tell me – will you stubbornly go to the NNV from the city, considering you're such a wonderful urban analyst?

We need two more votes. Ar will give us his if necessary, and Zedzi might as well. And that's not even counting the potential double vote. Any questions?

Vish, thank you! You understand that Rimp is better than Slonik.

I'm not going for NNV, I'm going for Rimple's execution.

TaKo, you see that the votes for Elephant aren't increasing, but some might switch their votes to Rimple. If you understand that he might be a mafia member, why not?
There's nothing to apologize for, I perfectly understand how it looks, but I can't just sit silently out of fear of appearing like a mafia member, watching the town get eliminated.

I suggest doing the opposite and switching the votes to Elephant:rolleyes: a few dozens/hundreds/thousands of pages ago, they were ALMOST gathering votes for her. They might gather them now. And such a difference between the two candidates indicates a clear desire of the mafia not to eliminate that very important player. Don't you think so? This is another piece of evidence for me. It's a small thing, but it's getting to my head.

I suggest doing the opposite and shifting the votes to Slonysh:rolleyes: a few dozens/hundreds/thousands of pages ago, they were almost able to gather enough votes for her. They might be able to gather them now. And the fact that there is such a large difference between the two candidates suggests that the Mafia clearly doesn't want to eliminate that particular player, who is extremely useful to them. Don't you think so? This is another piece of evidence for me. It's a small thing, but it's annoying.

But they still didn't gather enough votes, even without my intervention at that time. And yes, I think so - but in reverse. The Mafia is eliminating Slonysh so as not to eliminate Rimp, because if they keep all the votes, victory is in their pocket.

I don't agree! There's still Vish, who might agree, there's Ar, who will vote if necessary, as he himself said, and there's Zezzi, who didn't vote! This isn't NNV, it's a real chance!

He named 4 (likely) people; it's an adventure to suddenly change things in this situation. I'm not going to give my vote to Rimpel today, at least.

Gil. Don't think your behavior in the following games will go unpunished. If the town doesn't make the right choice and screws up, you'll be branded. This time, for good.

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The mafia is flushing Slonik down the drain so they don't have to hang Rimp

What else can I say? Maybe that you "proposed executing Rimpel from the start of the day"? How are you going to twist out of this one?

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So, for those who just came into the thread, or who respectfully can't bring themselves to read two and a half dozen pages of verbiage, let me sum up.

Slonish.

All roles with protection:
- counselor;
- duke;
- chief;
- knight;
- thief;
- golem;
- mistress;
- dancer.

Not the chief, because the chief has already made his move.
Not the knight and not the thief for obvious reasons.
The duke wouldn't have pointed the shooter at himself, that's true.

That leaves two worlds and two mafia. Of course, artistic flourishes are artistic flourishes, but to me the newspaper text clearly says something about how the knight missed his target.

Conclusion: Slonik is the mistress or the dancer.

On top of that: if Tory is the counselor, then Slonish has a chance of being only the golem. If Tory was the duke and Slonish is the counselor, she can't be put in jail. If Slonish is the golem, an angel will free her.
Not a certainty, but interesting: "sacred wrath" is the name of the little newspaper, a meaningful name.

Totaled up, two main candidates for execution: Slonish and yesterday's Rimpel. Rimpel has been poisoned, which means if he's mafia he won't walk anyway, and he can be executed tomorrow, because if there's a chance to pop the dancer today, it's better to do it. No one will catch her until a whole bag of evidence piles up against her, and it won't pile up — she hasn't left a single piece of evidence so far. She has innate protection, she can be shielded by the mistress, she can use the crescent dance.

What's been happening in the thread for the last twenty pages? For the last twenty pages the thread has been a dispersion of votes between the first execution candidate, Slonish, and a randomly picked Naira chosen by Gil. The justification for executing Naira runs: "the mafia used the note-cancellation so the alchemist wouldn't report that she's a non-human (despite there being three non-human town roles)," and "the mafia blocked themselves."
Then Gil kind of deflated, because since then he's brought no arguments other than "trust my intuition," and out of spite switched his vote to Arandor, presumably for further dispersion or in hope of such an HW-player pattern as "execute Arandor." Right now they're collectively throwing their votes onto the archer-Rimpel, who can no longer be covered, but whose death will help the mafia win.

What does Gil propose in the end? He proposes hanging the useless Rimpel, proposing to leave the presumed Slonish-dancer alone — and the Slonish-dancer moves before everyone, and on the next night uses the crescent dance, and thereby we:
- hang a completely useless player today, presumably mafia, on the piece of evidence they so denied the previous day and made peace with on this one;
- take another kill from the mafia at night, or even two from the knight;
- won't be able to hang anyone at all the next day;
- lose.

Here, in short, is a description of what's happening this day, along with certain deductions about the candidates for jail time.
Decide, you slow-witted town.

Gil. Don't think your behavior in subsequent games will go unpunished. If the town doesn't make the right choice and messes up, you'll be branded. This time for good.

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What else will you say? Maybe that you "suggested executing Rimpel from the start of the day"? How else will you weasel out of it?

Um, well, brand me then. :/ Scared me, lol, and for what — for trying to save you guys. :D
And what do you mean "this time"? :) I've only lost once in my five games on HeroesWorld, and we lost in 26 through no fault of my own, since if the town had listened to me, they would have won. In all my other games, my teams won, thanks in part to me.

Count the votes.

****** attempt, Gil. More like an attempt to **** up the town with your deceitful, forked, poisonous tongue. You certainly don't suffer from a lack of self-esteem, that's true.
But be warned. This is the third game in a row where the pressure is starting to break through the surface.

Fellow moderators, please take some action. I'm tired of reading his profanity, which arises from his butthurt. :/ And in general, can we play normally, or is it no longer possible when I try to guide the town towards the right path and execute Rimpa? Well, yes, because you don't want to lose your player, right, Morny? If you're not mafia, then I don't understand why you ignore my arguments about "it's better to deprive the mafia of a vote than to lead to a night kill," and unlike Elephant, Rimpa has a chance.
Even if it's the fiftieth game, if I'm mafia, then I'm lying, and I'm allowed to, if I'm town, then I'm telling the truth, and I'm allowed to. Are you going to condemn me for lying when I was mafia? Good luck.