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R55Max
Saying: "Please be honest" is a provocation, implying that dishonesty is possible.
Therefore, the goal should be to eliminate the very possibility of dishonesty.
Half the world plays Heroes, and the claim that they do so relying on honesty is baseless, as no one can know what's in everyone's mind. You can trust or distrust, but you can't be certain without proof.
Actually, it's usually the other way around: if you suspect dishonesty, you have to prove it; otherwise, don't play, because you'll be told to get lost. I had a laptop with Wargames installed and a flash drive in Michurinsk, where I copied the saves of the games I played. I played with Bayazet and Cobra with a delay, and no one said: "Well, prove that you didn't copy the saves of the delayed games and study them in the dormitory."

Damn, I'm caught.:smile43:
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Well, try to illegally level up Taz to at least lvl 10. You'll be caught immediately. This problem is made up out of thin air, imho.

You'll be caught if they check. To avoid checking (not wasting time) - there must be no such possibility. The gist is that in football you can't score with your hands and everyone knows it, and referees watch for it with six eyes, yet Maradona, knowing this, still scored with his hand (he really wanted to win), and the referees didn't see it (but if video replays correcting referee inattention had existed back then, this wouldn't have happened). Such a situation can occur once in a billion games, but it's possible.

Same as you lose and don't check
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Actually, it's usually the opposite - you suspect foul play, you prove it; or don't play at all, because you'll get told to piss off. When I was in Michurinsk, I had my laptop with installed HoMM3 and a flash drive where I copied saves of played games. I played Bayazet and Cobra with adjournment, and never heard anyone say: prove you didn't copy saves of adjourned games and study them in the dorm.

Damn, I got caught.

Such an approach is at the very least unsportsmanlike (if it concerns any kind of competition). Your saves when you were in the dorm were at the very least a temptation for yourself, which you could be tempted by, as every person is susceptible (to temptation). Some won't look at them, while others will look and say they didn't.

P.S. It is only reasonable to suspect dishonest play when it is possible; in the absence of such possibility, the negativity from suspicion is eliminated and channeled elsewhere.
We need to trust and hope for fair play, but still...
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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R55Max

This approach is, at the very least, unsportsmanlike (if it concerns any kind of competition). Your saves from when you were in the dorm were at least a temptation for you, which you could have succumbed to, and everyone is susceptible to temptation. Some won't look at them, but others will look and say they didn't.

P.S. It is reasonable to suspect unfair play only when it is possible; in the absence of such possibility, the negativity from the suspicions is destroyed and directed into another channel. You need to trust and hope for fair play, but still...
Okay, I suggest we agree in advance on the club where we will play if fate brings us together. As well as about seconds.
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Preds!! I'm going to appeal my loss in the Michurinsk final in court based on newly discovered details:!!!
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I had a laptop with Warlock Tactics installed and a flash drive with me in Michurinsk, which I used to copy the save files of the matches I played. I played against Bayazet and Cobra with the "delay" option...

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R55Max
...Your save files, when you were in the dormitory, were at least a temptation for you, which you could be tempted by, and everyone is susceptible to temptation...

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If Heroes had the ability to emulate a client-server system (bot) where all saves are stored on the server and become accessible only after the game is finished, it would be invaluable for conducting more or less serious competitions.
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KobRa_RR
Guys!! I'm going to appeal my loss in the Michurinsk final in court based on newly discovered details:!!!


and the "witness's" metrics.

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Well, Maradona's goal wasn't disallowed, nor was Henry's pass, so maybe I'll get away with it too.:smile28:

P.S. What "witness metrics" are you referring to: height, weight, ..., boxing rank? ;)
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They'll be caught if they are checked. To prevent checking (to avoid wasting time), it is necessary to ensure that such an opportunity does not exist.
Some interesting logic here. And how do you make it so that Pandora's boxes cannot be taken from under shifted guards? How do you remove that possibility? Because the temptation is great. What if they don't get caught? How do you remove the ability to use level 4-5 scrolls without building a Mage Guild? Is there a temptation to Town Portal using a scroll? What if they don't get caught? Any player who does something against the rules understands that they are doing it at their own risk, and it doesn't matter if it is a Town Portal from a scroll or Tazar in the Dragon Utopia. There are simply rules that must be followed, that's all. And for people with weak willpower who are prone to small temptations, nothing will stop them from opening the map or the save, which is far more serious.
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newb1k (red, Castle, Caitlin) def P.Alexei (blue, Rampart, Aeris), 8mm6a, 226
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Well, Maradona's goal wasn't disallowed, and neither was Henry's assist, so maybe I'll get away with it too. :smile28:
Kosoy, give the cow back to the brothers (c)
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So, here are the last pairings of the second round.

Javdet vs CJIOHuK
GoD vs winner (BESHA vs BAJIEHOK)
TERM vs R55Max

Faarg vs loser (BESHA vs BAJIEHOK)
ariputra vs WishmasteR
gnoll vs theShevanesian

KobRa_RR gets a win by default :).

P.S.: The result of the BESHA vs BAJIEHOK match will be available on Sunday morning.

P.P.S.: It's possible that I might have forgotten someone; if you see any mistakes, let me know.
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If Heroes of Might and Magic had the ability to emulate a client-server system (bot), where all saves are stored on the server and become available only after the game is completed, it would be invaluable for conducting more or less serious competitions.
This is what we should strive for, and it will definitely happen.
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That's some interesting logic. And how do you prevent players from taking Pandora's Boxes from under a shifted guard? How do you remove this possibility? Because the temptation is great. What if they don't get caught? How do you remove the ability to use scrolls of level 4-5 without building a Guild Hall? Is there a temptation to teleport with a scroll? What if they don't get caught? Any player who does something against the rules understands that they are doing it at their own risk, and it doesn't matter if it's teleporting with a scroll or using Tazar in the Dungeon. There are just rules that need to be followed, and that's it. And people with weak willpower and a penchant for small temptations will not be prevented from opening a map or save file, which is much more serious.
Kostyan, I think I told you (or you participated in that conversation) that this can be solved very simply, but by creating a program like Mikogo, but less resource-intensive. If you want to play for a rating (any significant one), turn on a program that will write your display to the server (let's say the video will be stored for 12 hours and erased, overwritten, so as not to overload the system), and saves will also be stored on an independent server. And there will be no cheats.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Kosoy, give the cows back to our brothers (c)
You're lying! You won't get it! Now I also have a crossbow to fight back.:mad:
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I'm still waiting for my match, by the way, it's been a week already!!

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P.S. Just don't tell me to go play with Cobra now).
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I'm still waiting for my match, by the way, it's already been a week!!

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P.S. just don't tell me to go play with Cobra now)
:eek: You've already played 2 rounds, why are you in such a hurry? :)
The deadline for round 2 is from 06/14/11 to 06/28/11... you still have to wait.
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Well, well, well... let's plan a week-long tournament! Two weeks wouldn't be too much, would it? Look at the Sylvan tournament – it lasts four days, and there are no problems!
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