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#197
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about forest knights-arquebusiers in heavy armor

Come to your senses.
They simply won't reach the archers, and they'll be completely crushed by pikemen.

The quote from the wiki speaks of unjustified losses without specifying the number. Plates won't be pierced by bows, either from a siege or at a distance; chainmail allows a deadly wound to be turned into a minor one, and the shield isn't worn as ballast. They will definitely reach them.

Imagine: you've lived in your village for thirty years, tilling the land. Somewhere far away, there's a war, and a knight, whose land you cultivate, takes you to it – he needs to bring a "spear" with him, a dozen or so armed men. You and a few of your fellow villagers are brought to a military camp, where you diligently swing pieces of wood, try to maintain formation, and learn to stick a spear into the ground to somehow resist the cavalry. After a couple of weeks, another journey. You arrive on the battlefield. You are told that the crowd of people in front of you, consisting of other peasants and their lords, are the enemy, and you are placed on the front line. Finally, you and a hundred unfortunate souls are charged by a solid wall of iron horses and men. If you managed to erase from your memory everything you've seen in video games and movies, and, in addition, you have a vivid imagination, don't forget to check your underwear.

Perhaps a couple of dozen knights will die if their horses are unlucky enough to run into spears firmly stuck in the ground that don't break or bend. But little will remain of the pikemen.

And again, there are other types of troops. Why send the most powerful part of your army to certain death? Which, moreover, has only one chance to attack, because the value of a knight bogged down in battle is much less.
Are we talking about heavy armor that cannot be pierced by arrows, or light chainmail?

Fabric padding + leather clothing + chainmail shirt, trousers, and hood + plate brigandine and a simple helmet with a nasal guard. The clothing weighs 25-30 kilograms. Just right for asserting your rights to the land of the Angles and Saxons.
Even two hundred years later, during the Battle on the Ice, full plate armor was still rarely used. The manufacturing technology was too complex.

Наше оружие - неожиданность! Неожиданность и страх, страх и неожиданность - это два наших оружия! Плюс безжалостность - три наших оружия: страх, неожиданность и безжалостность! И ещё фанатичная преданность Папе - четвёртое! Наше оружие включает в себя... наше оружие включает в себя... страх, неожиданность... я сейчас!
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#198
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Unjustified losses are a complete disaster.
Does a thin chainmail turn fatal wounds into minor ones? And does a car save you from a concrete slab falling from a height of a couple of floors?

A horde of horses crushes peasants and... encounters a wall of trained soldiers, shields and spears, nothing extra.

And again, there are other types of troops. Why send the most powerful part of your army to certain death? Which, moreover, has only one chance to attack, because the value of a Knight stuck in battle is much less.
Veggi, just reread the topic, understand the essence of the conversation from the beginning. This wasn't a discussion about tactics, not about whether a horde of Knights would break against a wall of spearmen. It was about "Knight vs. Elf."
However, the range of bow shooting was still better than other types of ancient weapons, and the accuracy at that time did not cause complaints, as shooting was usually done at a line of soldiers. In a real combat situation, an arrow almost never pierced any armor, at least in ancient times. However, it is difficult to completely protect the body from all sides with armor of sufficient strength, so massive shelling led to numerous wounds and loss of combat effectiveness of enemy troops.
Light armor is still pierced where it needs to be, in field battle conditions. In solo PvP, the archer's skill decides. Heavy armor, however, does not contradict the Knight falling and not getting up from the floor.
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Armchair theories.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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#200
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That’s what it says in the wiki, lol.
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#201
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The Wiki states that Elves are stronger than Knights, right?
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#202
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Elves are stronger than Knights.
Why do I have the feeling that this phrase will soon become a local meme in Heroes of Might and Magic?
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#203
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Elves are invincible.

Why do I have the feeling that this phrase will soon become a local meme in Heroes of Might and Magic?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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#204
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Why do I have the impression that Lordick couldn’t come up with a response?
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#205
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Yeah, it’s better to stay silent than to write nonsense.

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#206
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You are all right.
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#207
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Lordik is just upset.
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#208
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I like how Vegtamchik writes; he's the only one who provides reasonable arguments. On the other hand, his posts are not very related to the initial dispute about knights and elves.
In any case, since you are comparing fictional elves (and not English archers), the knights should also be from a fantasy world, where, in addition to getting up after falling, they can run and jump in heavy armor. By the way, I think even the most devoted fan of knights could end up hating them and loving elves after reading Lord_de_Set's posts.

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#209
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So, Lordick is a disgrace to all knights, and Mordred doesn't approve. Yes, it's Mordred, because I don't like Arthur himself.
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#210
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then knights should also be from a fantasy world

For me, knights, as they were, will remain real people. But elves-archers with overpowered skills, like summoning ents, super bows that pierce tanks, and an endless supply of mana – unfortunately, that's nonsense.
So Lordik is a disgrace to all knights

Thanks, you flattered me. At least I'm a knight, and who are you?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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Yeah, exactly, Mordred.
Do you like the traitor and parricide?
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Many modern literary versions of the myth justify Mordred, portraying him as an unfortunate young man deprived of his father's love, suffering from his illegitimate birth, and under the complete control of his mother.
I hope you don't like him for that reason.
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?