"Newcomer-2011. Winter" — Tournament History online

Hitch

4/9/2011 3:19 AM UTC

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krutilo

Dear friends, I am not accusing anyone of anything. It's just that the opponent played perfectly. All the best to him, and praise for that, it means his skill is really higher than mine. But when a game is played with multiple saves, whether you want it or not, unpleasant thoughts arise, and in order to prevent them in the future and not even mentally compromise the opponent, I decided not to play games with saves. That's all. No complaints.

I completely agree with you, even though I was declared the technical loser, I warned that I wouldn't have time. We agreed to play on the weekend, and in 3 days we played for 2-3 hours, and when I checked the saves, suspicions arose. Playing for 30 minutes a day is not a good thing; you forget what you wanted to do, etc. For some reason, these kinds of delays and spontaneous turns only happened with this player! Maybe I'm wrong about something...

ariputra

4/9/2011 3:45 AM UTC

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For me, this is another confirmation that in a tournament (there are no other types of tournaments), you should never give a Conflux to a good player.

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Hitch

We agreed to play on the weekend, and in 3 days we played for 2-3 hours; when I opened the saves, suspicions arose.

I think everyone has or may have such suspicions or doubts – no one wants to be deceived. But on the other hand, you should think well of a person until they prove otherwise. I completely agree with Dirty Player: if you start by thinking of a person as a cheater, you won't get the enjoyment from the game that we are all here for.

Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
Вакцинация младенцев в роддомах преступление!
Вред прививок или правда о вакцинации

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Kill_Master

4/9/2011 7:06 AM UTC

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Hitch

I completely agree with you, even though I was given technical defeats, I warned that there wouldn't be enough time. We agreed to play on the weekend, but in 3 days we only played for 2-3 hours, and after examining the saves, suspicions arose. Playing for 30 minutes a day isn't productive; you forget what you wanted to do, etc. For some reason, these kinds of issues and spontaneous turns only occurred with this player! Maybe I'm wrong about something...

He finally showed up :) and I thought he had disappeared forever, and he added his two cents!!! I sent my saves to the tournament organizer - do you have any questions for me?????
And I have a question for you!!! Couldn't you have had access to a computer for 1.5 weeks to at least let people know whether you would play or not? Although, I think you had a different plan: to make me wait!!!!!!!

ariputra

4/9/2011 7:29 AM UTC

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Kill_Master

although I think you had a different plan – to make me wait!

haha :smile40:

Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
Вакцинация младенцев в роддомах преступление!
Вред прививок или правда о вакцинации

Sevensan

4/9/2011 7:06 PM UTC

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Tuesday, approximately 10:00 AM Moscow time. Kill_Master (Red, Tower) vs Sevensan (Blue, Castle). Lower bracket final. There will be a Transmutation through Mikogo (possibly two-sided). There might be a stream... I will let you know in advance if anything changes.

ICQ 335-665-133
Discord Sevensan#3379

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4/9/2011 7:22 PM UTC

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It seems like everyone has questions for Kill_Master, and I thought I was the only one... )

Dogbas

4/10/2011 5:08 AM UTC

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Yes, we are waiting for the final verdict from Kash.

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RomarioGrom

4/10/2011 10:50 AM UTC

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Sevensan

Tuesday, around 10:00 AM Moscow time. Kill_Master (Red, Tower) vs Sevensan (Blue, Castle). Lower bracket final. There will be a Transmutation through Mikogo (possibly two-sided). There might be a stream... I'll let you know in advance if anything changes.

if I don't oversleep:o and there's a two-sided Mikogo, we'll organize a stream;)

ICQ (559716573)

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http://ru.twitch.tv/romariogrom/videos?kind=past_broadcasts

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Kash

4/11/2011 7:30 AM UTC

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1. I only allow the game between Kill_Master - Sevensan on the condition that it is mutually streamed through Mikogo. Otherwise, the result will not be counted, and the tournament will be suspended until the matter is clarified.
2. Kill_Master, please send me the save files for all games in the current tournament via email.

kashhw@mail.ru

Javdet

4/11/2011 8:10 AM UTC

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It wouldn't hurt to require the players to play until one of them wins, or at least for a month. But what if no one watches the stream? Doesn't Mikogo shut down if there are no viewers?

Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.

Wicc

4/11/2011 8:57 AM UTC

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Why bring up all this negativity? And if the person is doing fine, what will you do? You should have analyzed the situation yourself first, and only then made any statements.

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Kash

4/11/2011 9:41 AM UTC

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Javdet

It wouldn't hurt to require the players to play until one of them wins, or at least for a month.

How do you force them if someone chronically doesn't have time for a whole game?

And what if no one watches the stream? Mikogo seems to shut down if there are no viewers.

Don't worry about that, there are plenty of people who want to watch. I'll watch.

Why bring up all this negativity... and if the person is okay, what will you do? You should have analyzed the situation yourself first, and only then made statements.

Vik, this isn't negativity, it's just a routine check, so to speak. No one is immune to it. Negativity is when everyone around is whispering, and they can't even make daily saves, let alone do a self-analysis.
By the way, about the analysis. Can you help me? :o
I don't consider myself competent at all, I'm counting on you and maybe a couple of other people

Sevensan

4/11/2011 4:52 PM UTC

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Update 2. The person is swamped with work and won't be able to make it today. We've rescheduled it to Wednesday, 10:00 AM Moscow time.

ICQ 335-665-133
Discord Sevensan#3379

Sevensan

4/13/2011 6:15 AM UTC

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04/13/2011 Sevensan (Blue, Castle, Valeska, Dadakon) Def. Kill_Master (Red, Tower, Nila, Shakti) Mini-nastolgia 121

Reached 121 and killed three AI opponents. After that, the opponent started having problems. Family, children. He says he won't be able to play anymore. Thank you.

ICQ 335-665-133
Discord Sevensan#3379

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Kash

4/13/2011 12:40 PM UTC

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Sevensan

04/13/2011 Sevensan (Blue, Castle, Valèska, Dadakon) Def. Kill_Master (Red, Tower, Nila, Shakti) Mini-nostalgia 121

I killed three AI opponents before turn 121. Then the opponent started having problems. Family, children. He says he won't be able to play anymore. Thank you.

Let me confirm :)
Yes, that's how it was.
It's a pity when you can't find time for a full game, but on the other hand, family is more important. Thank you Kill_Master for the games and I wish you good luck in life and, if possible, on the Heroes front.

I'll add that the game is quite good, as far as I can judge from the saves and the stream. Efficient clearing of neutral creatures with reasonable losses, good scouting, exploration, and clearing. As much as I could, I analyzed the game saves with krutilo; it was played quite well, I have nothing more to say about them, that is, I didn't see any claims or hints of unfair play. I'll close this issue now.

Sevensan, congratulations on reaching the tournament final.
Good luck in the game against R55Max!

How many wins to play to, let the guys decide for themselves. By default, it's up to 1-2 wins. Of course, we will stream both sides, and the announcement will be in the thread

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