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It must be acknowledged that Peterius is essentially right, even if he is overly harsh. We have to admit that no choice was offered to us (to those who care about what is happening), neither regarding the location, nor the timing, nor even the version. Indeed, amen.

It must be admitted that Peterius is essentially right, even if he's excessively harsh. It has to be stated that we (those of us who actually care about what's happening) weren't given a choice regarding the location, the dates, or even the version. Indeed, amen.

Here is what I don't understand. Okay, Peterius can't make it—the reasons seem clear. But as for the other Ukrainians—what, is riding in Peterius's car not an option?
Kobra, you're just so miserable. You didn't get the toy you wanted...
And what do you actually want (besides Egypt)? Yellow pants and two "kus"?
What was wrong with the BT version? Do you want "The Restoration of Erathia"? Or what? Or SoD with dozens of restarts? As for the location—that was discussed last year. Where were you in December when this was all being planned? Where??? Answer, heretic!!! :smile16:

And then, for example, holding a tournament for the second game in parallel is much more important than focusing on the third game and its participants.

As a potential participant in the tournament for the second game, either as a player or as a judge, I can say that there is no fundamental difference for me between April 30 - May 3 and May 6-9. That is, I am ready to play or judge in either of the proposed time slots.
Regarding the parallel tournaments for the second and third games. I will not hide the fact that I will persuade Dust, PReDS, and Horn to forget about the third game in favor of the second. AlexGreat and Cobra are also very actively playing the second game...

We have to acknowledge that we (those who care about what's happening) weren't given any choice regarding the location, timing, or even the game version.

But why not... You could play a different version. You would definitely be welcome in a tournament for the second game.

Sorry for interrupting, especially since I didn't qualify, but I couldn't resist. You've gone too far with personal attacks and there's not enough constructive discussion. If we can't get everyone together and agree on specific deadlines, then rename the CIS Cup to the 2011 festival (forget the pomp). Let's just meet up, maybe we won't have time to play all the rounds, and that's fine. We'll vote, make Bayazet the champion, and celebrate! It's even a double celebration – we've finally gotten together and organized a tournament, and a poker championship and a drinking contest also deserve attention. And if there's a ping pong table, I'll bring 4 rackets and we'll have a blast, and of course, there will be chess! Thanks to Eric, the program will be top-notch, and it's always great to visit him. In short, remember Leopold the Cat – let's just live in peace...

P.S. Get Antal involved, let him continue the argument (started in Krasnodar) that he can easily score 6 out of 10 goals from close range.

A small question: if player Peterius is eager to participate in the championship, why can't he play the first round online? And then come on the 2nd day.

2 Oelm
If I understand correctly, we'll have to play 2 rounds – on April 30th and May 1st. Also, if there's a corporate event on May 1st, we'll either have to have a dry event, or find someone to drive Peterius's car on the evening of May 1st or very early in the morning of May 2nd, but then the question of insurance arises, as not everyone has open liability insurance. On the other hand, there seem to be some problems with May 6th-9th, as I understand it, the club will be closed on May 9th. Here, naturally, the question arises: shouldn't we play the last round at the sanatorium? But then the ceremonial award ceremony, which should include representatives of local media, will be missed. In general, it seems that if it's May 6th-9th, then it's better to make it May 7th-10th, so that the last day with the award ceremony and ceremonial closing is included. There probably are some agreements with media representatives regarding the timing of reports.
Perhaps I don't quite understand the processes, then I will be corrected.
Personally, for me, the main thing is: no poker, yes to second heroes, all those who are unhappy with the rules and the game version – welcome to the second heroes tournament, chess – yes, especially respect to the Swedish players.

2 Qwerty
Dear Qwerty! I am writing to you, remembering how staunchly you adhere to the forum rules. So, if I remember correctly, any forum has certain sanctions for intentional off-topic posts.
I ask the moderators to delete all your words about "second heroes" (just as they deleted my pseudo-profane language), as they have absolutely nothing to do (except for the location) with Heroes 3. This forum section and this topic in particular are dedicated exclusively to Heroes 3 (and related Heroes 3 Championship events). There is no need to advertise your own stuff here, understand? Qwerty, I didn't see you on the list of potential participants in the THIRD Heroes tournament, so you have no right to vote on the timing. So, please don't troll (because in this case, I consider your posts as spreading confusion and fueling aggression).
P.S. Before making any demands on anyone on the forum, and in life in general, and pointing out anything, start with yourself!
And, finally, here is my favorite poem by A.S. Pushkin:

Coming home from all-night service,
Antipyevna was arguing with Marfushka;
Antipyevna was very angry.
"Wait," she cries, "I'll deal with you;
You think I've already forgotten
That night when, hiding in a corner,
You were fooling around with your nephew Vanyushka?
Wait, my husband will find out about everything!"
"You threaten me!" Marfushka replies:
Vanyusha? He's just a child;
And your brother-in-law Trofim, who is with you
Day and night? The whole city knows that.
Be quiet, sister: you are as guilty as I am,
And with words you offend everyone;
You see a straw in someone else's ass,
But you don't see a log in your own.

Wow, so much has been written, it's going to take a while to read.

Regarding the schedule. Swiss system for 20 or 24 participants.

April 30 - Round 1, 10 or 12 winners.
May 1 - Round 2, 5 or 6 winners.
May 2 - Round 3 - 2 or 3 winners.
May 3. Round 4 - 1 or 2 winners.

If there is one winner, they will receive well-deserved congratulations. If there are 2 winners, they will play Round 5 for the overall victory.

May 4 - Round 5 - the grand final.

So, it's unclear whether we'll finish on May 4 or 5, it's better to be prepared for all 5 days and take the time off accordingly.

Arrival at and departure from the championship.
First, please note that our city has two train stations! The first is Michurinsk-Uralsky, located almost in the city center, a 5-minute walk from the club (or 1 bus stop on bus number 1).
The second station is Michurinsk-Voronezhsky, located on the outskirts of the city, it's more difficult to get there, it's better to take a taxi.

Therefore, when you write about your arrival, in addition to the train, carriage, and time, please also write the name of the station!!!


A significant number of guests will be arriving from the Moscow direction.
Preds, AlextheGreat, Vitalic, Yama-Dharma, Stinger, Qwerty, GreatGenius, Dust, Van, Merlin, Oxygen, Mee, Dirty Player, and possibly others.

In my opinion, the most optimal train would be train number 126 (express) Moscow - Novorossiysk, departing from Kazan station.

It departs on April 30, 2011, at 00:25 and arrives at 06:41.

That is, you will be in Michurinsk at half-past six in the morning, just in time to get some sleep, settle in, and arrive at the start of the round. Of course, it would also be easier for me to meet you all together. I'll be amazed by the number of Heroes players in one carriage, that's for sure... The ticket price is about 800 rubles, a little more expensive because it's an express train, it takes 6 hours.

Perhaps some people will not be able to or will not make it on this train, so I'm listing other trains.

17. Moscow - Saratov, (departs 19:54 - arrives 02:50 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Uralsky).
15. Moscow - Volgograd (departs 20:04 - arrives 03:35 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Voronezhsky).
25. Moscow - Voronezh (departs 20:54 - arrives 04:58 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Voronezhsky).
77. Moscow - Stavropol (departs 21:04 - arrives 04:58 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Uralsky).
86. Moscow - Makhachkala (departs 21:10 - arrives 05:21 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Uralsky).
34. Moscow - Volgodonsk (departs 21:48 - arrives 03:59 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Uralsky). I'm not sure about Volgodonsk, the word is smudged, but the train is definitely number 34.
31. Moscow - Tambov (departs 22:00 - arrives 06:24 at Michurinsk-Uralsky).
Also a convenient train, but worse. First, it takes 2 hours longer. And second, it's an express train and 400 rubles more expensive.

Another large group of guests is from St. Petersburg - Bayazet, Term, Horn, Wicc, Porizatel, Kobra, Matrosoff, and possibly Napalm.

You can get to Moscow, join the Moscow players, and turn an ordinary carriage into a Heroes carriage.

Or you can get from St. Petersburg to Michurinsk without changing trains.

109. St. Petersburg - Astrakhan (departs 18:27 on April 29 - arrives 10:25 on April 30 at Michurinsk-Uralsky). Ticket price - 1430 rubles.

Arrives at the station, next to the club. Being 25 minutes late for the round is not a big deal, 5 minutes to the club and you can start the first round at 11:00.
Your belongings will be in the club until the evening.

Accommodation - in the evening.

The second train is less convenient.
111. St. Petersburg - Voronezh (departs 19:02 - arrives 12:57 at Michurinsk-Uralsky). Price 1500 rubles.
Perhaps it's too late, you might not make it to the first round.

That's about arrival.

Now about departure.
May 4, evening and night, to Moscow.

31. Tambov - Moscow, departs at 22:27 from M.-Uralsky - arrives at 06:24 (daily).
47. Saratov - Moscow, departs at 23:20 from M.-Uralsky - arrives at 06:52.
33. Vladikavkaz - Moscow, departs at 23:42 from M.-Uralsky - arrives at 06:29.
256. Voronezh - Moscow, departs at 00:11 from M.-Voronezhsky - arrives at 07:55.
9. Saratov- Moscow, departs at 00:32 from M.-Uralsky - arrives at 07:28.
836. Liski - Moscow, departs at 01:18 from M.-Uralsky, arrives at 09:05.
379. Volgograd - Moscow, departs at 01:38 from M.-Uralsky - arrives at 09:52.
99. Rostov-Moscow, departs at 01:43 from M.-Voronezhsky, arrives at 07:35.
5. Astrakhan-Moscow, departs at 03:19 from M.-Voronezhsky - arrives at 10:00.

For the St. Petersburg players - departure in the evening of May 4.
111. Voronezh - St. Petersburg, departs at 18:54, arrives at 13:14, ticket costs 1400 rubles.
109. Astrakhan - St. Petersburg, departs at 19:42 - arrives at 12:21, ticket - 1320 rubles.

I'll take a break and continue.

Added 23 minutes ago
Now about the accommodation of the guests.

I already described the sanatorium option. Its advantage is that everyone is together. That is, in the morning everyone gets up, gets on the bus, everyone together arrives at the round, in the evening everyone together leaves the round.

The main disadvantage is that it's 18 km from the club, paying for the bus all 5 days, back and forth, that's 10 trips, and I'm aiming for the maximum cheapness of the tournaments, and therefore accessibility for everyone.

Then, time is wasted on the road.

Besides, everyone is an adult, some want to sleep in the evening, and some want to walk around the city at night or have fun. And separate taxis are expensive to go to the city. At night, taxi drivers will especially inflate prices for trips outside the city.
Although in the city, even at night, it's still 50 rubles in either direction.

Therefore, I think this way. We will have about 30-35 people, 20-22 three-person rooms, including Horn and Dust, plus about 4 two-person rooms, possibly their wives, plus a few guests.

I tried to calculate the option of staying in the city. The downside is that it will be more difficult to gather everyone for the round, some will oversleep terribly. But still.

I'll take 8-9 people to my place, there are enough beds.
There is an option to accommodate some of the Heroes players in a children's health camp, a comfortable building, good rooms, fortunately, it's not the season and it's empty. I have diplomatic skills, I'll try.

There are several houses near the city that are rented specifically for weekend getaways. But they are not heated, and it can be very cold at night on April 30. I wouldn't risk putting people in an unheated house.

Regarding apartments. I will look for them, especially for families and for the St. Petersburg players (they really wanted to). The last option is a hotel, it's convenient, reliable, but expensive, 1100 - that's too much!

By the way, I was in the sanatorium. It's the same as in a dozen other places I've been to. Old Soviet-era buildings. Two beds, a table, a TV (I hope it's a color one). And, there's a pitcher, a bathroom, a bathtub.

It's probably possible for ten poker fans to gather in a room, but don't count on a conference room, the director was respectful, but he carefully emphasized the difference between people undergoing treatment and people who just came to stay. I definitely can't guarantee a quiet game.

P.S. I'll find out about accommodation in the city soon and write everything down. That is, it's cheaper, and people can walk around the city themselves, they don't depend on the bus, they plan their own leisure time.

Wow, so much has been written, it's going to take a while to read. Regarding the schedule. Swiss system for 20 or 24 participants. April 30 - Round 1, 10 or 12 winners. May 1 - Round 2, 5 or 6 winners. May 2 - Round 3 - 2 or 3 winners. May 3 - Round 4 - 1 or 2 winners. If there is one winner, they receive well-deserved congratulations. If there are 2 winners, they play Round 5 for the overall victory. May 4 - Round 5 - the grand final.

I've always been interested in this question. Why do the losers play after the first round? In any case, a single loss eliminates all chances of winning. Why not hold a single-elimination tournament? :confused:

An Olympic-style tournament deprives players of a chance to win just as much as losing in a Swiss-system tournament. But what if someone wants to play more?

There was an Olympic-style tournament in Krasnodar. Many people came and complained about traveling such a long distance with the intention of playing, only to be eliminated immediately.

However, I agree that all the players here are experienced; many will either play to win or, after being eliminated, will simply pass.

Now, I will explain everything in more detail.

Firstly, I think we should have 3-4 prize-winning places. Secondly, I suggest playing all 5 rounds, even if after the 4th round there is only one clear leader, so that it is possible to try to overtake him in the last round and take first place with only one loss. And thirdly, the Swiss system allows for draws, changing the order of rounds, and gives the opportunity to play 2 games in parallel, which in some situations can help to fit into the schedule.

I've always been interested in this question. Why do the losers play after the first round? In any scenario, one loss eliminates all chances of winning. Why not hold an Olympics? :confused:

Second place is also important to many.

Regarding travel – there is no direct train from Ukraine to Michurinsk, just as there isn't to Tambov. There is a train from Kyiv to Voronezh (arriving on Sunday at 11 am in Voronezh, i.e., May 1st), and there is one from Kharkiv to Lipetsk (arriving on the 29th or 1st at 9 am).
So, the trains don't work (unless going to Moscow).
Therefore, the options are either a plane or a car.

The Olympic system eliminates the chances of winning just as much as losing in a Swiss-system tournament. But what if someone wants to play more?

Essentially, the Swiss system can and does replace the Olympic system. One player loses in the first round, loses hope of getting first place, and either drops out and goes to rest, or fights without the same enthusiasm.
But not everyone. Some will lose, but still try to climb higher, even if they have 3 out of 4 wins, and let's say, take third place - in the CIS, among the best. Therefore, the Olympic system cannot replace the Swiss system.

2 Vik - suggest how to divide.

Secondly, I suggest playing all 5 rounds, even if after the 4th round there is a sole leader - so that it is possible to try to knock him out in the last round and take first place with one loss.

Damn, then we'll have to consider Berger or Buchholz. I don't object to a full 5 rounds; those who want to fight should fight for the win.

Regarding travel - there is no direct train from Ukraine to Michurinsk, just as there is no train to Tambov. There is a train from Kyiv to Voronezh (arriving in Voronezh on Sunday at 11 am, i.e., May 1st), and there is a train from Kharkiv to Lipetsk (arriving on the 29th or 1st at 9 am).
So, the trains are not suitable (unless to Moscow).
Therefore, the options are either a plane or a car.

2 Capitan.
From Lipetsk, the easiest way is to take a taxi, 80-90 km. It will take you there in 40-50 minutes, and it will be inexpensive if there are several people. From Voronezh, there are many trains to Michurinsk; I can list them.

And if you need to plan a route to Michurinsk from Kyiv, I can look it up... It's easier to go to Moscow, and then travel together with everyone else. It seems that Leha got to your place in Kyiv for the final last year.

2 Vic - suggest how to divide.

Well, 40%-30%-20%-10% is obvious...

Damn, then we'll have to consider Berger or Buchholz. I don't object to a full 5 rounds, whoever wants to fight for the win should fight for it.

Additional coefficients are bad only when you have to compare them for two players who have won all their games. Like, a person beat everyone, but took 2nd place, which is unfair. If everyone has lost at least once, then they can only complain about themselves, so Buchholz is quite adequate here.