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Offline Dirty_Player
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Please ask Gunnar to participate in this Tournaments; I would really like him to join.
Only if it's in Egypt :D :D :D
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P.S. ...and by the way, I don't have money for travel expenses, so all participants will have to chip in, a little bit each – wouldn’t that be nice? Otherwise, without Great Siberia, it will at least include Ukraine! No, there is no other way… otherwise, the tournament will be incomplete and not worthwhile… So… you get the idea ;-)
By the way, yes. There is a real chance to save money and order a private plane for the entire Siberian team :D
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Merlin, did you make the cut for the championship?
Dirty, are you coming?
Dust, I hope that after your words you'll actually show up :)

Why clutter the thread completely?
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Many people after Kyiv realized that they spent all 4 days stuck in the club, which wasn't good. They didn't really get to walk around or see Kyiv properly. That's why people who traveled 1000+ km were not thrilled.
Now they're promising 5 days, maybe we'll actually see something other than the basement. :))

By the way, yeah, what about the regulations? Swiss system 5 rounds? Version: WT, SoD, which one? Will "Boyarin" at least let the "common folk" vote here? :)
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By the way, yes, what about the regulations? Swiss system, 5 rounds?
Yes.
Version: VT, Sod, which one? At least here, will "Boyarin" allow "black" to vote? :)
Nope :).

I have been disappointed with the decision-making system based on voting many times. Therefore, I said it a year ago and reminded it several times later. There were no particular objections, the option is quite adequate, and I don't see any reason to revise it.
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Yes.

Nope :).

I've been disappointed with the decision-making system based on voting many times. That's why I said it a year ago and reminded them several times afterward. There were no major objections, and it's a perfectly reasonable option; I don't see any reason to reconsider it.

Come on, you're not a nobleman, take off your halo :)). Remind me, what option are you talking about?
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No, you're not a boyar, take off the halo :))
Is it "boyarynya" then? :)
Remind me, what variant is that?
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WT without experience/tax/bank/classes, templates sm/Jebus Cross/mini/mm/lm, rules standard, castles and templates random, color coin flip.
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Merlin, what does the club have to do with it? Rebelius clearly wrote about the deadlines, not about an unwillingness to play in the club. What are you talking about?
Of course, the deadlines. But in what form was this presented? What is that sacramental word "shame" worth... As for clarity in his words, there was a minimum of it; instead, a personal grievance was clearly evident, nothing more.
In general terms: those who need it will come, those who don't need it won't come. Last year, I was initially against Kyiv — and yet everything took place in Kyiv. And I was satisfied with everything except the event itself and its organization. That is — I was satisfied with the company that gathered. In my opinion, last year was indeed a disgrace: when we were supposedly "met by two cars" (in reality, it was we who met... a taxi driver, who took us for a fee), and when they tried to charge us about one and a half times more for the apartment (which was already expensive), which we searched for with Sam Susanin as if in a taiga forest ("uh... but there was no fence here... where did it come from..."), and when I personally had to beg with all my might to agree on the stated price, and when it was posted on the forum "this evening a session with the Yekaterinburg players": the session did happen, but for some reason it consisted only of Yekaterinburg players — Captain and Sam didn't even bother to stay and keep us company. And the day before the event started, nothing was set up, and the admin told us "they said the championship was from May 17..."
Let bygones be bygones... but forget them at your own peril...

Kobr. Oh wow — he deleted it, the bastard. But I still managed to read it. )))
You write that you'll come "to hang out" — well then, you don't need to know whether I qualified or not...:smile44:
If we meet, I'll try to take everything I can from you in poker :smile13:
I'd be happy to participate, by the way, in your Championship — when, where, and by what rules, by the way?

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Vic, give a link to the full rules.
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I'll just provide an update on the deadlines; I don't think there's much to discuss regarding the venue.
Overall, the situation is somewhat unfortunate, but there's a solution: how do you use the "cue of intentions" to guide the "ball of desired outcome" into the "pocket of reality," considering the "cloth of available opportunities"? (I apologize for any other associations – that's just a reflection of how jaded everyone is.)
You can ignore the needs of others and force the situation to suit your own goals.
Or, you can make a few minor concessions to your own convenience (just a few) and find a solution that works for everyone.

In my opinion, which may be biased (though I try to avoid that), Eric has to manage a whole bunch of conflicting interests.
The interests of the Ukrainian Heroes players are not necessarily the priority; they are on equal footing with everyone else.
Along with them, he also considers the interests of the other players.
The problem is that there are unfortunately no additional qualifying rounds in Ukraine in May.
The solution proposed by Peter is: let's wait for the Ukrainian holidays so that we don't interfere with the work.
But this means that the work will have to be postponed for those who have already completed the qualifying rounds.
Personally, this isn't a big deal for me, but it is for the others, and there are more of them than Ukrainian Heroes players.
It seems like they've reached a compromise – they will arrive, albeit with a delay, but there have been some problems – that's just life.
Then Eric suggested a slight deviation from the rules of the draw and the venue.
But what else can he do without infringing on the interests of the majority?
So, on one side are the Ukrainian Heroes players, and on the other are the rest, and delaying the dates, which were originally planned for most of them, is also inconvenient... Well, damn it – if you want to participate in this tournament, you'll come no matter what; all issues can be resolved in person, but not always comfortably.
Pressuring the organizers – let's imagine hypothetically that they give in and postpone the dates, but then even more people won't be able to come, and a much larger number of people will be disappointed.
And yet, I would really like the quorum to be complete, so that Peter and his team can find a way to come, even if it's with a delay, and play a few matches beforehand... There's always a solution!
But first, we need to understand that by accommodating one group, we are disadvantaging others. In the case of delaying the dates from May, this other group is the majority. As I understand it, Peter has a corporate event on May 1st, but he doesn't want to let his team down and is fighting for them – that's great! But Eric doesn't want to let anyone down either... So, let's have a little more understanding and mutual support.

I'll try to suggest a solution: among those who are traveling to Michurinsk by car from Moscow, is anyone reading this forum? Let them organize and bring the Ukrainian Heroes players with them, who have safely arrived in Kremlyandia.
And let's end this squabble; there's still plenty of time to organize
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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Vik, please provide a link to the complete rules.
I looked at the rules on heroeswt.net... my god, so much inconsistency... who wrote them? :)

I'll post them later.
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Vova, storyteller, tells everything beautifully:smile12:

for example, here
wowa
how to drive the cue of intentions, across the fabric of possibilities, the ball of the desired result into the pocket of reality?
I liked it.

MerlinZeMagika, everything has its time ;)
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where the interests of the Heroes community in Ukraine are by no means a priority, but are on an equal footing with everyone else.
along with them, he also addresses the interests of other players.
the situation is bad because, unfortunately, there are no May additional qualifiers in Ukraine.
the solution proposed by the respected Peter: let's wait for the Ukrainian holidays so that we don't have to work.
but at the same time, the work will have to be postponed for those who have already completed other qualifying rounds.
personally, it's not critical for me, but I can't say the same for the others, and there are more of them than Ukrainian Heroes players.

Wowa, maybe it's time to calm down and stop spreading your nonsense?
I'm addressing all the defenders like Wowa, Dust, etc., stop bothering me with your nonsense on the forum and elsewhere! First, read what I'm asking for, or rather, what I was asking for, and then talk!
Wowa, answer for your words - where did I write about waiting for "Ukrainian holidays" and so on? We have the same holidays, did you decide to act like an idiot?
wowa
...in the event of a shift from these May dates, the majority will suffer(( as I understand it, Peter's corporate event on May 1st fell through, but he doesn't want to let his people down and is fighting for them - that's great! but Eric also doesn't want to let anyone down... so there should be more understanding... and mutual support...

I knew about the corporate event in advance! And if I was fighting for anything, it was for my participation and the participation of the other finalists (because the corporate event is not up for discussion). And I did it quite politely! I requested the results of the poll on the timing, as was originally promised.

There are still no results, i.e., everything has been decided, uniformly, one-sidedly, in one direction. I assume that the majority would have voted for May 1st, but no other choice was given. So there was nothing to shut me up with. There was a proposal to hold the tournament on weekdays from May 2nd to 6th, which is inconvenient for most people. Why make such proposals? It's a JOKE! And now Wowa is attributing this proposal to me! Unbelievable! It's just idiocy.
And then, for example, holding a 2v2 tournament in parallel is much more important than focusing on the 3v3, on its participants. Because it is much more difficult to combine all this, essentially trying to fit the un-fittable. How it will be combined is how it will be.
I looked at the list of participants in the 3v3 and 2v2, it's mostly the old guard, they deserve attention and honor, that's fair, but who is Peterius? A troublemaker. Whether he will be there or not, who cares. Since the conflict with Eric, I have repeatedly written to him in ICQ about various organizational issues, and I have not received a single answer. There were a few pompous, dry messages in private over the past two years, I didn't know that this was called "friendship". Well, I'll know now.
So, gentlemen. For the third time, I'm writing, please - do what you want, stop dwelling on this topic in different ways. I clearly stated the reasons and consequences and remained with my opinion, Eric with his. Wowa is generally unclear what he's rambling about, he awkwardly retracts his words, then sends another metaphorical message. Well, if you want to chat, go ahead, but don't write things that aren't true. It just looks stupid from the outside.
And if you keep bothering me, I will hold a tournament from May 6th to 9th and call it the CIS Cup!
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Peter, please, stop bothering everyone! :) And stop imposing your vision on others. I read on this forum that you supposedly don't have a holiday on May 1st and 2nd. But I know for sure that you do have a holiday on the 9th, although it's only for one day. What result do you think the poll will have? It's clear even to a hedgehog that you won't achieve anything with it, so why hold it just to clear your conscience? Or will the tournament become "kosher" with the poll, and without it, it will be illegitimate? ;) Any discord and squabble harms the common cause of Heroes, and this is obvious to everyone... And when starting a discord, one should understand that the main benefit is for the community, and only then for oneself. And no matter what, I don't see any constructive ideas in your posts, only a disregard for the interests of others :( Do you think there will be many people willing to accommodate you with such an attitude? Eric suggested slightly adjusting the regulations to suit you, and I suggested optimizing the transportation issue – where is a constructive response to this? At least, why is it unacceptable for you? No, instead, there's a rigid position and intentions to separate. So, for God's sake, hold any championship you want! :smile54: But when money starts to be invested in Heroes (why and for what – that's a question outside the scope of this discussion), what part of the divided community do you think it will go to? Peter, you've already alienated most people. Nevertheless, I hope that this was done in the heat of the moment. I'm still trying to understand you, but you should also try to understand others! I respect your contribution, but it would be better if it were a contribution to the common cause, not to a local one. Think calmly, maybe the proposed measures will allow you to consider the deadlines acceptable, which will satisfy the majority – I am sure of this without any polls. If you are willing to communicate constructively, let's work together to create a tournament model that is optimal for you in case of a delay, and if it is fair and does not conflict with the interests of others, Eric will accept it, believe me! After all, by not coming, it is the Ukrainian guys who will lose the most, and if things continue to drift apart, it will be even worse! :( I really wouldn't want that to happen
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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...and there's no need to attribute your vision to others

Provide arguments... that's something new.
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I read on this forum that you supposedly don't have a holiday on May 1-2.
I know for sure that you have it on the 9th, but it's only one day.
What result do you think the poll will have?
You won't achieve anything with it, it's clear even to a hedgehog – so why hold it just to clear someone's conscience?
Or will the tournament acquire a legitimate status with the poll, and without it, it will be illegitimate? ;)

Firstly, you still haven't answered for your words. You lack the strength to admit that you just blurted something out, wrote some stupid excuse, saying that you heard something somewhere... It's not serious... It's even unpleasant.
Secondly, I haven't been trying to achieve anything for two days now, but you still can't let it go. The poll was needed before the conflict, not after. What result? Of the 12 that remain (out of the planned 30), most will, of course, be in favor of May 1st. But there's no point now, it should have been done in a timely manner, not in the form of a public opinion survey – who is for Nagan, and who is for Peterius.
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any discord and squabble harms the common cause of Heroes, this is obvious to everyone...
and by starting a discord, one should understand that the benefit is primarily for the community, and only then for oneself

Well, stop talking, it seems only you are bothered. I don't even understand what you are trying to prove for the common cause of Heroes, trying to accuse me of some imaginary sins.
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and no matter what, I don't see any constructive input in your posts, only disregard for the interests of others :( do you think there will be many people willing to go along with you with such an attitude?

more empty talk, whose interests did I disregard? I was expecting (and still expect) constructive input from the organizers, and quite a practical and realistic one.
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Eric suggested slightly adjusting the regulations to suit you, I suggested optimizing the transportation issue – where is the constructive response to this? at least in terms of why it is unacceptable for you?

Eric's proposals have already been discussed. Your proposal, without understanding the logistics and not supported by anyone's specific proposal, can only be considered a draft proposal. Moreover, I am only speaking for myself, the rest is up to them.
wowa
no – in response, a rigid position and intentions to separate
so be it – hold at least the championship of the universe! :smile54:

Wowa, I'm not joking and I'm not talking nonsense, unlike you. I have real intentions. Are you answering on behalf of Eric now, or are you just chatting?
wowa
Peter, you've already sent away the main group((

in what place and where did I send them? provide arguments or is it more empty talk?
wowa
if you are ready to communicate constructively, let's work together to create a tournament model that is optimal for you in case of a delay, and if it is fair and does not contradict the interests of others, then Eric will accept it, be calm!))

I have a sad smile, what model? what are we even talking about?
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Peter, to your greatest misfortune, I'm writing here not to just type away and certainly not to fill the forum with nonsense. I'm writing primarily for you and the winners of the selection process, in which you invested your effort and time, especially considering the difficult situation you were in. But if your only desire is to accuse someone of something that isn't even remotely true, and to impose your own singular correctness, then the desire to continue with this futile endeavor has completely vanished. Understand that in any dispute, there are no right or wrong sides; everyone is right in some ways and wrong in others. The goal of the discussion for each side is important, and what they want to achieve. I have stated my motives, and try to accuse me of lying. Initially, I defended Eric, but as our arguments progressed, I realized that he doesn't need any defense... just like Dust, who is highly respected in the Heroes community for his contributions, and whom you, despite all due respect, started attacking for some reason... maybe because he stood up for Eric? So, stick to your guns, and time will tell. And also, to the Heroes fans who are reading this thread... If there is still a desire for constructive dialogue, I will be happy to help resolve "logistical" and other issues; there is no problem that cannot be solved
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

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...if there is still a desire for constructive dialogue, I will assist in resolving "logistical" and other issues; there are no unsolvable problems.

You and Dust have both proven to me that unsolvable problems do exist. Guys, honestly, I am powerless against such logic. And even though I didn't get answers to my questions, but received another portion of nonsensical text, I'm glad to see that everyone remains true to their opinions, amen.
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