Posts from CIS Club Championship 2010-2011

Yeah, it's obvious that no one will actually play. But the fact that you can meet up for a day or two is actually pretty good.

Stop trolling! ;) You can really get everything done in a week! And combine everything.

Almost quotes for Yak's poll: 0) Yak - (everyone knows this, not sure why I'm writing it) 1) Hurghada, but better in Ozersk 2) with my head 3) any deadline 4) the only difficulty might be the absence of Merlin (there's no one to win the cake from right away) 5) I have a laptop

It's good that this issue came up now, and not half a month before the finals. I'll try to explain it in detail. 1. I definitely have to hold the tournament in May. I bought a prize for the winner – a crossbow, comparable in price to a good hunting rifle, plus a cup. Besides the money, I spent time negotiating with people. In the end, I have obligations to the club, with which I agreed to hold a large tournament. 2. I respect the opinion of all players. I cannot force anyone to come to my city for the finals, from St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, etc.; it's entirely voluntary. 3. I spoke with Peterius. He can't play on May 1st, and we were planning to travel to the finals by car with all the players from Ukraine. 4. We can find a solution that suits everyone, the main thing is to avoid unnecessary arguments. Indeed, let each of the finalists write where they can play. For example, if 10-11 people vote for Michurinsk, I will have room for maneuver – including holding an additional qualifying round with other players (there are such players). Also, following the advice of Vik and Pavel Dubrovin, we can hold a qualifying round online. And there are other unfulfilled ideas. At the same time, the players who are gathering in Hurghada can also hold their own tournament. I am confident that this arrangement will satisfy all parties.

Thought number one: splitting the tournament into two parts is absurd. Therefore, options involving half here and half there are not even worth discussing. Thought number two: as I understand it, the problem is that many people don't want to spend four days in a club when it's almost summer. This issue was raised back in Kyiv. I understand this position. Therefore, we can consider an alternative: hold the tournament in Michurinsk, but not in a club, but in a country house. Similar to how the gatherings were held in Minsk. That is, there would be fresh air, nature, and maybe a body of water nearby. We could put a table outside or on a veranda, set up laptops, and play. As I understand it, this format would suit everyone. Eric has already written that he hasn't seen any such options in Michurinsk. But since there is a strong desire, maybe we should look somewhere in the surrounding area, for example, in Tambov. It can't be that for 30 adult men with money, there isn't a simple option like a country getaway. Regarding those who are late for the start of the tournament, we can do this: they play the first round among themselves in advance and arrive for the second round.

Thought number one: splitting the tournament into 2 parts is absurd. Therefore, there's no point in even discussing options where half is here and half is there.

Yur, I need clarity. People in the club trust me, and I don't want to let them down. I need to recruit players for the final.

Thought number two: as I understand it, the problem is that many people don't want to spend 4 days in a club when it's almost summer. This issue was raised back in Kyiv. I understand this position.

Kyiv is south of Michurinsk, and they didn't hold it on April 30th, but closer to Victory Day. It's not summer yet on April 30th.

Erik already wrote that he hasn't seen such options in Michurinsk. But since there's a strong desire, maybe we should look somewhere in the surrounding area, in Tambov, for example. It can't be that for 30 adult men with money, there isn't a simple option like a country getaway.

Whether it's in Tambov or Michurinsk, there's no difference... Egypt would be better then.

If I were planning to relax with the Heroes community, I would organize everything in the summer: beach, barbecue, partying until morning.

To avoid misleading people, I'm writing this: in May, it will be a club tournament. Of course, with barbecue, relaxation, bowling, billiards, and so on. We'll find something to keep everyone entertained. But not at the expense of defining our championship.
Krasnodar in 2002-2004 wasn't Egypt either, but that didn't stop people from playing in the tournament at the club and relaxing at the same time.

I can travel anywhere for up to 10 days, but the departure date must be May 2nd.
I won't be able to make it on May 1st, 99% sure. I have a laptop.
The Egypt option is good, but it will be difficult to gather enough people. And it would be a shame to disappoint Eric and his efforts.
The country house option is great, but it depends on the organizer.

I think we should start by taking a poll about the dates, as I'm afraid I'm not the only one with problems on May 1st.

P.S. Eric, I don't quite understand who you're supposedly ripping off and how? This is business, circumstances change every day, and the one who pays is right, and in this case, the agreements can only be preliminary. You need to please the majority of the Heroes players, not just the club, right?

The Egypt option is good, but it will be difficult to gather a quorum. And it would be a shame to waste Eric's efforts and hopes.
The manor option is great, but it depends on the organizer.

In my situation, the only possible option is, unfortunately, a computer club.

I think we should start by polling about the dates, because I'm afraid I'm not the only one with problems starting May 1st.

We can discuss this as we go. Play 1-2 rounds against each other, but 3-4 - definitely together with everyone.

Once we figure out who can play, we'll discuss the dates. Not on May 9th. We can have a big feast for those who arrive on April 30th, and play round 1 on May 1st, rounds 2-2, 3-3, and round 4 on May 4th - if the schedule allows. Or maybe we can play even faster. The Swiss system is good because it allows for flexible scheduling of rounds.

Given my circumstances, the only feasible option is, unfortunately, an internet cafe.

Well, for example, what's wrong with this option - http://www.oxothik.ru/index.php?action=bases&id=1609#

Financially, it even turns out to be cheaper - 500 rupees per day for accommodation (a hotel in Michurinsk will be the same price or more), food prices are not specified, but I think they won't be higher than in Michurinsk cafes, plus savings on renting a club.

I haven't read everything in detail, but it's immediately clear that someone has confused the concepts! ))

What kind of CIS Heroes 3 tournament in Egypt is this? Does anyone actually believe that!?

Let's not ruin a good thing, a serious undertaking by a respected person, and let's not mess up his plans... He can play cards in Egypt, and relax on the beach under the scorching sun, have a few drinks with good company, and combine other pleasant moments of relaxation, that's all possible, but let the idiot who sits in a stuffy club in the heat for 30 degrees for 8 hours a day and plays 8v8 throw the first stone! ))))))))

I was the organizer of the previous final in Kyiv, so I hope I have a say in this. :) Nagan, can you post the results of the finalists' poll? Who can come to Michurinsk, for example, from April 30th to May 3rd? Regarding Egypt, I don't think it's realistic. I couldn't even get people to come out in Kyiv, where the weather is great; it will be almost the same there – either Heroes or poker. Would people travel to Egypt for that? Only one person responded to the qualifier in Kyiv, so we won't have one there. :(

The Egyptian theme is certainly cool, but this theme should be planned as a separate event, rather than disrupting the organizer's plans.

Phrases like "there won't be time for Heroes" and similar statements are nonsense, quite the opposite is true. Let's remember Kyiv... most people came to relax and play Heroes on the side. In the last two rounds, almost no one played because they went to rest, explore the city, or simply sleep. Why waste time and money sitting in a club when you can spend the same amount of time and money on relaxation plus Heroes, instead of just Heroes? As I see it, the main goal of the offline CIS championship is not so much to identify the strongest Heroes player, but rather to facilitate communication, bring together communities from different cities, and provide a pleasant time with good people. And it's much more enjoyable to play 4 games in a relaxed atmosphere, without the rush due to the tight schedule.

And do you think that in Michurinsk, no one will play poker, no one will drink until morning in a bar? ... don't make Merlin laugh... we're not going to a pioneer camp where there's a signal for wake-up and bedtime). I was in Kyiv and I remember everything perfectly, and I have no illusions about it. I think the opinions of people who have been to Kyiv are particularly important because they know what's really going on.

Dear friends! (Please excuse my verbose style and old-fashioned manner.)
I have been attending our Heroes gatherings more or less regularly for quite a few years now. Without me, such gatherings in Yekaterinburg have been held only a few times (even when I was sick, if I was able to maintain a vertical sitting position, I was present). Players of Heroes are, first and foremost, people for whom intelligence and reason are not in last place in life – but rather, they are of paramount importance. And, again, these are quite reasonable people. The trip to Kyiv, in one way or another, was one of the most memorable events in my life. I realized that not only in Yekaterinburg, but also in other cities and, I wouldn't be afraid to say, COUNTRIES, people who are intelligent play Heroes. People with whom there is something to talk about and something to remain silent about: that is, people with whom I personally simply enjoy being around. But! In Kyiv, I realized that either we play Heroes, or we relax. Both options are equally appealing to me. But I, for example, clearly understand that in Egypt, when there is a sea and sun nearby, I personally would not want to sit in four walls and stare at monitors – because the next trip abroad may not present itself. Regarding my difficulties in obtaining a foreign passport, I simply don't want to take the risk (for another couple of years), knowing that as long as the military enlistment office doesn't remember you, it's better not to remind them unnecessarily (I have a military ID, but in 2003, there was supposed to be a re-examination, for which I didn't receive a summons). In Kyiv, I took on an excessively high workload and, by the end of the event, I was literally EXHAUSTED. And this is taking into account that we visited the city in ADVANCE (there was a free day for this). In Egypt, it is still a COMPLETELY different culture and a different people. If in Kyiv, I saw many familiar things that didn't require deep understanding, then in Egypt, there is a different atmosphere, a different climate, different people. And in this case, all my interest would be directed towards getting to know a culture that is completely different for me. After all, Heroes is already something I know well.
In Michurinsk, as I understand it, the emphasis will be on Heroes. On the GAME itself!
Therefore, I urge everyone to decide – why we want to gather. If we want to have fun, relax, go on vacation, and unwind, then Egypt is preferable. But if we want to hold a HEROES CHAMPIONSHIP, then without a doubt, Michurinsk will be much more COMPETITIVE in this regard, as there will be far fewer temptations. Everyone chooses for themselves. My choice (considering that for at least another year and a half, I don't want to have anything to do with the military enlistment office) is Michurinsk. I physically cannot handle Egypt in the format that it was in Kyiv. In Kyiv, at least, there was no beach with a sea nearby (a sea that I haven't seen in more than ten years...).
Regarding those rounds that were not actually played in Kyiv, it is clear to any hedgehog (except for Mee:smile40:) that with that "organization" and with that attitude, it could not have been otherwise.
Here is another point – Mee recently mentioned a sum of 10-12 thousand rubles for everything... And the respectable Kobr mentioned a sum that was an order of magnitude higher. Considering the harassment of our fellow croupiers, the issue of expenses is important to me (who knows how the cards will fall...).
The instability of the political situation is also not in favor of Egypt: we will fly there, but getting back... is a big question...
In Russia, it is somehow more familiar, isn't it? Here, we are citizens, with some, albeit violated, rights... But there...
Nagan, judging by what he wrote, approached the matter seriously, with full responsibility and understanding, and, as they say, PUT HIMSELF INTO this event. In Kyiv, excuse my frankness, there was no such attitude. If we are playing Heroes, then I prefer Michurinsk; if we are going to relax, then anywhere (but if a foreign trip is required, then not for now).
As they say, I'm at a point where I'm

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Merlin +1, let's keep the flies separate from the cutlets ;-)

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I have repeatedly expressed my positive impressions of your commentary on the World Championship final in the presence of many respected Heroes of Might and Magic fans. However, there are certain rules on our forum, and in this regard, we need to make a few adjustments to the second-to-last sentence of your post. I hope you understand.

Dear colleagues.
Nagan is trying very hard and is deeply concerned about the upcoming final. I would like to request that this particular tournament be held in Michurinsk. Besides, not everyone currently has the financial means for other options.

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So, what are the dates? Are they for the first or second week of May?