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I also suggest banning hit-and-run tactics, giving each player three restarts if they receive an unsatisfactory role, and only eliminating a player with a double vote after at least half of the city's members have died.
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I also suggest banning hit-and-run tactics, giving each player three restarts if they receive an unsatisfactory role, and only eliminating a double-voting player after at least half of the town's members have died.
I asked for constructive criticism... :D



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Ban red rush and make all weeks "Swallow Weeks"...:smile15:

Sorry, Gil, I have sawdust in my head, yes, yes, yes.
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umm... Who are you talking to right now?

well, that was sarcasm.
the rule might be good, but I couldn't understand it after reading it once (or even twice).
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I don't mind simplification, if someone can do it without changing the essence. I just don't know how to prevent situations like the last one with Arom in a simplified version.



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the subtlety or directness of revealing information.

In other words, you can obscure a statement, but the essence of the reveal will remain the same. And who will determine the degree of subtlety? The GM?

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16. It is forbidden to reveal one's own or another player's role, or its elements, as well as any information obtained about it, in public places or among players who are not in the same group as you. The same applies to information about other players. Phrases like "well, I also know something about him that I can't say" are a violation, regardless of whether you actually know something or are lying.
Statements like "I checked," "according to my information, which I cannot disclose," "I know for sure," etc., are prohibited. Unsubstantiated shouts like "he's MAFIA!" or "I'm a TOWNIE!" are also prohibited.
To avoid violating this rule, try to express your thoughts as assumptions or as IMHO, based, for example, on clues or behavior.
It is allowed to refer to the rules, the GM, your own posts, or the posts of other players, as well as to any external sources where you found information about the clues.

Simplification.
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In other words, you can disguise the statement, but the essence of the reveal will remain the same. And who will determine the degree of disguise? The GM?
Hmm, the point is that regardless of how direct (I am a blue unicorn) or veiled ("Ling, my boy...") the statement is, it is prohibited. However, I'm not sure if veiled versions should be prohibited, but here comes the question you raised, Ar.
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Simplification.
Meaning? Do you think it's unnecessary to change this rule, i.e., do you consider the situation acceptable?



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Read it more carefully. I could, of course, highlight the changed part, but it's better to read the entire rule to avoid missing its other nuances than to focus on just one thing, which could lead to questions and misunderstandings mentioned in other paragraphs of the rule. However, I want to say this. For some reason, in all previous games, in a situation like: "- I'm sure you have a negative reputation, and you're a villain! - Oh, really? Well, let a kid check me today and post it in the newspaper, and you'll see that I don't have a negative reputation," which is essentially identical to our situation, no one was bothered by such a pseudo-revelation. Maybe Hossi felt more at ease back then?
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Read it. But... won't we then be unable to jokingly shout "aaaah, you're Mafia!", but Ar will still be able to say all sorts of things that don't fit into the category of "based on my information, etc."? He didn't say he knew for sure; he said that checking him would be pointless. And this can be interpreted as an attempt by a Mafia member to avoid being checked, rather than revealing information available to him.



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It's a thankless task to change something that many people don't see as flawed. Locky, your example is silly, at least because the emphasis is always on "you are the villain," and not on "you have a negative status." But I will still answer the situation you provided: in this case, there is an assumption: "if a boy checks me, then you will see." Not an assertion. And I don't remember any identical cases. COME ON, GIVE ME PROOF, AHAHA! And yes, lol. Read the old games for clues.
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Assertion.
"Boy, go and check me, and you shut up!"
We won't be able to jokingly shout "aaa, it's a giveaway, you're a noob!"
And I'm not shouting anyway:rolleyes: The joke isn't very funny.
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Assertion.
Well, go ahead and marry him. I won't try to prove to a camel that it's a camel if it doesn't see the humps on its back. So, Loki, spare me the fantastical examples and provide some proof. Otherwise, out of all the "accusers," only I am providing arguments, and that's depressing.
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He got upset and, on top of that, poured a bucket of garbage on me. On whom? On me, a person who couldn't care less about the situation.
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Heh, for a camel to see the humps on its back, it needs to look in a mirror. Hos, why are you the only one providing arguments? Everyone presents what they see. I even tried to write a rule. And, by the way, for those who think the wording is too complicated – I specifically tested it by having a friend who doesn't play Mafia at all read it. And he understood everything. Because he read it carefully.



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Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
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