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#1019
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He blamed himself.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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#1020
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Perhaps, because the clue about Hermit was quite easy, and I don't remember any other easy ones.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#1021
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Remember Paris. And Hermit was executed without any evidence.
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#1022
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Remember Paris.
Yes, back then, they presented me to the Mafia so nicely that I didn't hesitate to openly reveal my role :D of course, what more could you expect from an archer, especially one who can't be stopped!11

I didn't expect you to be the Hatmaker. The notes from the Hatmaker on the first and second days were written in the masculine gender, so I didn't even consider you as a candidate for the role of Hatmaker.
Well, I'm not an idiot to write in the feminine gender!) Maybe I should have written "Your Ney ~_^," so you wouldn't have to struggle to find the Hatmaker? :smile42:

But anyway, come on, Arko was revealed, so what? I figured out his role even before he wrote about the stats. First, the way he confidently wrote about the role of the Elephant, and even proved it with a multi-account. Second, the confident execution of Hossi, as if he was with the Elephant, which is why he voted against. Third, intuition, or something :D
By the way, as far as I can see, only the villains are upset about Arko being revealed, which, after all, played an important role in the town's victory.

P.S.: Megerson's words are once again confirmed: the most dangerous role for the Mafia is a peaceful resident without a special ability!
Графомания путешественника
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#1023
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The most dangerous role for the Mafia is the GM without a Neutral Detective!
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#1025
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A real, genuine MANIAC.
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#1026
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I was going to execute Neira, thinking she was harmless, and then kill someone myself and frame one of the townspeople.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#1027
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By the way, as far as I can see, only the female villains are upset about Arky's cheating, which, after all, played an important role in the city's victory.
Hermit
Hostor, why do you want to modkill him so much? What if he's from the city?
Yes, the standard psychology applies here - "we won because of the violation, so why blame the violator?". Standard selfishness and a conscious attempt to avoid the desire to lose.
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#1028
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Demanding a “mod kill” for a player from the opposing team is standard selfishness and a deliberate attempt to avoid unnecessary problems.

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#1030
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Xostor
Yes, the standard psychology applies here: "Since we won by breaking the rules, why blame the rule-breaker?". It's a standard case of selfishness and a conscious attempt to avoid the unpleasantness of losing.
Host, this violation didn't really have much of an impact. Ara's words were still verified by Risunok (on the third night, the comparison of Mona and Kostyan was made when comparing Ara and Mona on the second night). That is, whether or not Ara's words were there, we learned his status. Is it a matter of trust? I didn't trust him until my last night, and I assumed he was a Mafia player putting on a good show. But by that time, he was simply behaving in a fairly peaceful manner; it wasn't about revealing his status. As for the selfishness, I've already written that I didn't like his action, but I'm only silent because the rules are poorly written.
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16. It is forbidden to disclose your own/another player's role, or its elements, as well as information obtained about it, in public places or among players who are not in the same group as you. The same applies to information about other players. Phrases like "well, I also know something about him that I can't say" are a violation, regardless of whether you actually know something or are lying.
Statements such as "I checked," "according to my information, which I cannot disclose," "I know for sure," etc., are prohibited. Unsubstantiated shouts like "he's MAFIA!" or "I'm a Town member!" are allowed.
To avoid violations of this rule, try to express your thoughts as assumptions or as IMHO, based, for example, on clues or behavior.
With this wording, it's now impossible to prove that Ar was talking about "something" he knows, rather than simply making unsubstantiated claims like "I'm an outsider, there's no point in checking me." Yes, I didn't like his action, and that's why I played without taking his words about his status into account. And it's obvious that this is closer to "something," but the rules should prohibit everything clearly, not on the principle of "around and about." Stop trying to prove how bad Ar is; instead, to avoid similar situations in the future, come up with an improved version of this rule that will effectively prevent such cases.
Arandor
Demanding a modkill for a player from the opposing team is a standard case of selfishness and a conscious attempt to avoid unnecessary problems.
Ar, aren't you tired of it? You can see that it only angers some of the other players. Just understand that others (and notice, not just the losers, but also me) don't like it, and don't use it in the future. Why make people even more angry?



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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#1031
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Demanding a "modkill" for a player from the opposing team is standard selfishness and a deliberate attempt to avoid unnecessary problems.
Ho-ho-ho, Archie. The problem is that neither two weeks ago nor now do I hear any arguments that would justify you in my eyes, even though you stubbornly continue to shout about your innocence. I don't care that the blue horse is playing with my words; I do care that nothing will work out, and this blue horse will continue to violate the rules.
Then let there be a rule prohibiting even such hints about one's role and its elements.
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It is better to avoid repetitions of this kind by coming up with an improved version of this rule that will effectively prevent such cases.
That's right. Who will take on the task?
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#1032
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Gil4
Yes, I didn't like how it played out, and that's why I played without taking his words about the status into account.
I didn't like it either, and that's why I compared the stats of Morning and Kostyan on the third night, "disappointed" Arandor :D
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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#1033
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Hermy, that's exactly why I was very pleased with the Design after the third night, i.e., with you. :)
Hos, I'll think about it when I have some free time, but I don't have much experience with this. You, on the other hand, have plenty of experience, so I think you'll come up with the best solution. Here, we need to create a foundation, a good formulation of the rule, and others will be able to see how it can be circumvented and edit it accordingly, and together we'll bring it to the ideal, all-encompassing version.



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here