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Posts from Mafia: general discussions.Auto-translated
The sky does not await pleas. The sky does not heed threats. The sky keeps its own count...
Ты страшился тысячи вещей... Но все это были лишь маски, лишь видимости. На самом деле страшило тебя только одно решиться сделать шаг в неизвестное, маленький шаг через все существующие предосторожности. И кто хоть один раз оказывал великое доверие, полагался на судьбу, тот обретал свободу.
Мы не свободные, вольно танцующие автобусы. Мы – привязанные троллейбусы и трамваи
I suggest we deal with these points right now:LeangThank you all for the game. I liked everything except for a few moments. First - Arandor broke the rules, plain and simple. We are not playing psychological Mafia where such moves are permitted. Second - Hostor leaking my role. It seems to me that only a foolish person, or someone who wasn't following the game, would fail to guess my role after his post. I also believe that this should not be repeated in future games (by the way, after this, I saw skipping my turn as the only way out for myself, so as to possibly make someone a suspect for the mask). Third - I am against replacing players with those who have already been eliminated.To avoid further violations, such as revealing one's status, the rules should be supplemented immediately. Also, I would like to reach a decision regarding the second point. For example, I consider this a gross violation, while Hostor completely disagrees that it is any kind of rule violation at all. The situation: a recruiter who recruited a player, while on the verge of execution, writes a sentence in their post that names the recruit in direct "veiled" text. In this case, the recruit was the maniac (all players are aware of this from the newspaper). In other words, the recruiter simply reveals someone else's role during the game day, as if just "hinting." Furthermore, the revealed maniac has no chance for victory, firstly, and for a normal game, secondly. It is as if the entire Mafia lineup had been published in the newspaper. The third point should be at the GM's discretion, but in my opinion, it is still undesirable.
I was just about to be penalized for supposedly breaking the rules (even though there were no arguments, and the rules allow any kind of outburst), but Hostor, after being targeted, revealed the role of another player, and that's not a violation.
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I agree with the third point, but it's still frustrating when someone loses very good chances of winning because of a modkill. Maybe it would be better to have games with around 18 players.
Damn, some people can be so stubborn... Game Rules No. 27
16. It is forbidden to reveal your own role or the role of others, or its elements, as well as information obtained about them, in public places or among players who are not in the same group as you. The same applies to information about other players. Phrases like "well, I know something about him that I can't say" are a violation, regardless of whether you actually know something or are lying. Statements such as "I checked," "according to my information, which I cannot disclose," "I know for sure," etc., are prohibited. Unsubstantiated shouts like "he's MAFIA!" or "I'm a VILLAGER!" are allowed. To avoid violating this rule, try to express your thoughts as assumptions or as IMHO, based, for example, on clues or behavior. It is allowed to refer to the rules, the GM, your own posts, or the posts of other players, as well as to any external sources where you found information about the clues.
1. Regarding the situation with Arandor. An element of the role was revealed. It was revealed and used further. Arandor's phrase:
Hossi, Kostyan and I will have the same status. There's no need to compare.
Is this an assumption? No. Is this an IMHO? Well, of course, an IMHO about his own role... What else is there to say – it's a statement. And, according to the rules, it doesn't matter if it's false or not – in any case, it will be considered a violation.
2. Accusation of me leaking the role. All I see is that Ling's game didn't work out, and he decided to harshly blame me for it. I can quote many instances where players hinted at their roles, the results of the night phase, and the guilt of someone. Remember games without notes. And now, how I "exposed" Ling's role:
Okay. You wanted an analysis – I'll give it to you. Just don't cry later... Ling, please help me get up. Thank you. ... Thank you… Ling. Now you can… be free, my dear boy…
Not a word about the drug... no, not that. Not a word about the role – no assumptions, no IMHO, no thoughts about the Mask. A hint in the form of a play on words. A hint, just like the city roles when announcing during the day. Although some have become so attached to the notes that they have forgotten about the simple game. What a tragedy... No one has bothered to prove to me what my guilt is, hiding behind the banal "it's all clear and implied in the rules, you just didn't understand!", and I am not going to listen to such baseless nonsense. So, Rev, give me proof.
I agree with the third point, but it's still frustrating when someone loses very good chances of winning because of a mod kill. Perhaps it would be worth making the game for 18 people.
Maybe, some people shouldn't be allowed to play at all -_-
I think that the debate, as usual, will lead to nothing. At least, I don't really want to keep repeating the same thing. Let the others express their opinions, whether they think this is a violation or not. I didn't intend to start a polemic; I just said in the game thread that I would like this not to happen again.
I haven't been following the game, so I don't know what rule violations occurred.
But I really enjoyed reading Neba's newspapers. Well done, he wrote with passion and humor! A vivid, memorable atmosphere; I wish there were more like that.
*went to give a positive rating to the database entries for the newspapers*
В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.
I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better
Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
Unsubstantiated shouts like “he’s MAFIA!” or “I’m a TOWNIE!” are allowed, and so on. To avoid violating this rule, try to express your thoughts as assumptions or as an IMHO, based, for example, on clues or behavior.
Consider this as a shout expressed in the form of a sentence/IMHO.
First, I wrote a comment on my post in the game-related thread, simply stating that repeating such behavior in the future would be undesirable. And then, after it turned out that I might have been wrong in my assessment, I wrote here.
Consider it a statement expressed as an exclamation, in my opinion.
The point is that you conveyed this statement throughout the game, which, in this case, meant indirectly revealing the role. It's like if you said at the beginning, "I'm a blue unicorn," and it turned out to be true in the end. IMO, such actions are against the rules and should be stopped, as well as any hints about the role, for example, in the case of Hos. He acted unsportingly.
but what if it turned out not to be true? I said at the beginning (before the roles were assigned) that Hermit was Mafia, and I stated it with confidence. Am I entitled to a modkill if he was actually Mafia?))\ Some people were just upset that they lost/were exposed.
Arandor still doesn't acknowledge any violations because he thinks he's the best, lol.
Just like any hints about a role, for example, in the case of Hos. He didn't play fair.
Is it unfair that I decided to help one side at the expense of the other? Oh, lol, what kind of reasoning is that. Well, remove the hints, ban them with the rules. And what will happen? City roles have a unique feature – notes. You don't even need to hint here – it's enough to add "today I'm going to kiss YYY on the butt" or "tonight I'm going to pinch ZZZ's cheek" at the end of a note with information and go to those people accordingly. Everything will be reflected in the newspaper, the information will be 100% accurate (the role won't lie), and none of the negatives will do anything about it or twist it to their advantage. And that's how the negatives lose, and the city radiates love. Remove the hints, and the negatives won't be able to do anything in a dangerous situation during the day. Does anyone find that prospect appealing? Although, in principle, if Arandor is a Mafia member and violates the rules, then the balance will be maintained, and I guarantee it.
Okay, let's also ban peaceful players from stating that they are peaceful. That's practically revealing their role, lol.
And it's not like I directly wrote "my status is outsider," but I phrased it differently. No one was forced to believe me. Unfortunately, the town has limited "tools" to fight against the mafia, and often people don't want to believe me.
Thorium
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