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You see, Skull, the problem isn't that I controlled druids or didn't give Wing all his army. The problem is that you didn't understand the essence of the replay, namely that chaos against a good army (and at such levels, it's usually no other way) is practically useless, and what Ment provided here is ridiculous. Light is a different story.

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lord, are you playing? online?

Sometimes I play. When I have time.

In the actual game, the Enchanted Ballista is truly fantastic. Firstly, because the chance of obtaining it is only 2% (although you can spend 200,000 gold on a mentor), and secondly, it's completely unnecessary for a green-skinned creature. Even if an elf receives it, it's clearly not a skill for the endgame. If you're developing the Ballista as a secondary hero, it's for rushing and causing trouble on the map. For Wing, in addition to attack against the undead, he needs Light, defense, and Lore with Quick Mind, or you can exchange it for something else; the rest is a matter of preference! And in the original game, the Enchanted Ballista isn't very effective with its low HP. However, in the TE mod, it's at least tied to magic and has 2000 HP. By the way, in this mod, Wing starts with leadership. :D Regarding the combination of Empathy and Lionheart: I haven't tested it, but it seems like it won't work. As an example, I'll mention (although it's not directly analogous in this case, but it highlights the mistakes and bugs of Nival in Heroes) that Quick Mind doesn't combine with Krag's ability. Regarding the absurdity of both builds: I haven't even watched them. It's already clear that the players who presented them are essentially playing completely different games and are basing their development on completely different assumptions. Arguing here, saying "you don't understand the game," is simply pointless for the reason I mentioned. For example, I can't understand how someone can develop their hero for 6 months, for example, up to level 35. Because, in theory, there's no difference between a hero at level 27 and a hero at level 67. But it's not my business; people play however they want. I'm just trying to explain that each player plays the game they want and how they want.

No, dude, you didn't get it. Ment was talking about the "enchanted ballista" and "empathy" skills, and the Necropolis, as I understand it, just happened to be available. But your replay with Chaos, where you remembered to equip the Necropolis hero with a Dwarven set but forgot to give Winged Lord the "Master of Chaos" skill, was completely irrelevant. And even if it were relevant, it still wouldn't prove anything, because the situation in it is unrealistic.

That's basically what happened. I said that I play poorly with the Necropolis. But I tried to maintain balance: the Necropolis army is twice as large. The idea was simply to show that the Elf can move with enviable consistency, despite the ballista. And regarding the Dwarven set, that's even funny. How would the Necropolis hero know that the Elf has switched to Chaos? I wouldn't have guessed it for anything. And I gave him leadership so that he would be a "harbinger of death," I think that's a very useful skill (not in battle, of course, but still :).

The "enchanted ballista" in the real game is actually a fantasy. Firstly, because the chance of getting it is 2% (and on a mentor, you can spend 200,000 gold on it), and secondly, it's completely useless for a green hero.

But what if you manage to get it at low levels? The probability is, of course, small, but once a year, even a stick shoots.

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Ugh, Lord. Your replay is some kind of joke, right? You might as well fight 10K neutral Druids using "subordination" :D :D

What does the number of druids have to do with anything? I deliberately set it to that number to make it more interesting. I already had a ready-made Necropolis army on the test map, and I was too lazy to count how many Elves there would be, so I quickly set it to 1,000. And I was also curious to see how they would shoot at their sworn enemies with True Sight. And Chaos, as you can see, is not very effective against a normal army.
By the way, a Dwarven set is a good choice against any Elf – whether it's Light or Chaos. After all, we shouldn't forget that the cuirass counters Earth Shock, and extra defense and evasion are generally excellent.
P.S. By the way, I tried to defeat them without using spells like Subdue or Blind – it was fun.

What does the number of druids have to do with it?

That's not what I meant. I just meant that your opponent, no offense, is a noob. You could have just cleared out the neutrals and then said that Chaos isn't effective against Elves. I showed how it's not effective: a ballista took out 100 higher vampires in two shots. And in general, you need to consider against whom such a tactic is effective. It's not very effective against undead due to their large armies and the ability to significantly reduce the defense of the enemy. But against humans, I would try it.

Simply put, your opponent, excuse my language, is a noob.

Hehe, you call him a noob? Well, try to take down that many yourself, but without summoning.

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I showed how ineffective he is: a ballista took down 100 high-level vampires in two shots.

But it's unknown what artifacts you put on your Necropolis units. And your Necromancer's build is fundamentally wrong.

But against humans, I would give it a try.

At level 29, humans will already have hundreds of paladins, a bunch of artifacts (and who knows, maybe even dwarven armor), and, quite possibly, antimagic. And maybe even Darkness, which, thankfully, you didn't think to take when we played together. That's when you'll bitterly regret going into Chaos.

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But let's not clutter our minds with phrases like Necromancers are OP.

Of course. Just play as Orcs and say that Necromancers are crap.

Necromancer artifacts: staff of the underworld, cloak of deadly shadow, ring of broken spirit, helmet of chaos, dragon necklaces, shield, greaves; ring of speed, armor of the forgotten hero, skull of Marcel. Don't forget that I gave him "reflection" and "undead protection from magic," although it's practically impossible to guess that the elf will go into chaos. Elf artifacts: ring of speed, unicorn bow, dragon shield and dragon greaves, lion set, skull of Marcel, ring of kinship with machines. Necromancer build? Probably. But I tried. At least his summoning was good, although maybe darkness would have been better. But that's not a fact, since almost all of the necromancer's army was defeated by chaos.

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If I had known that there would be another argument about necromancers, I wouldn't have chosen him as an opponent.

Wow, Mент, no offense, but you can only use such artifacts against an Elf if you have absolutely nothing else to use. Now I'm not surprised that you "easily" won against the Necromancer.

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Don't forget that I gave him "Reflection" and "Undead Protection from Magic," although it's practically impossible to guess that the Elf will switch to Chaos.

Yeah, right. Two main schools of magic, and it's impossible to guess.

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If I had known there would be another argument about Necromancers, I wouldn't have chosen him as an opponent.

Heh... Well, take a Mage or a Dwarf. It will be even worse.

Wow, Mент, no offense, but you can only use such artifacts against an Elf if you have absolutely nothing else to use. Now I'm not surprised that you "won" so easily against the Necropolis.

What, do you have better ideas? I don't consider the Dwarven set, in this case, it's like cheating.

Yeah. Two main schools of magic, and it's impossible to figure it out.

Yes. No one uses Chaos.

I don't consider the Dwarven set to be legitimate; in this case, it's akin to cheating.

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Elf artifacts: Ring of Speed, Unicorn Bow, Dragon Shield, and Dragon Greaves, Lion Set, Marquel's Skull, Ring of Kinship with Machines.

Is that also considered cheating? :confused:

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Yes. No one chooses Chaos.

Interesting, why is that?

Forgot, Lord. The purpose of the experiment was to see if an elf could function with empathy and an enchanted ballista. The answer: yes, Q.E.D. You tend to react a bit too sharply to everything.

How is it going? The topic is actually called "Tactics for playing as an alliance." You've already tested it with the ballista, and now we're moving on to discussing the nuances, like who needs it and why.

We can discuss this endlessly, but we're unlikely to reach a consensus, as everyone already has their own impressions. The only way to find out is to try it out.

Really? That's interesting. But I don't like combining several types of magic, as it leaves little room for other useful things in the build.