Posts from Old version of the rating system.

I propose that everyone who wants to participate in tournaments share their opinion on what the ranking system should be like. And perhaps also suggest some additional rewards, even if they are not material for now, for the winners. The only thing that is clear so far is that we need to create separate rankings for each player for 2, 3, and 4 heroes, and maybe even for Wog. What else?

What should the rating system be like? And perhaps some other, even if initially non-material, rewards for the winners.
The only thing that is clear now is that separate ratings for each player need to be created for 2, 3, and 4 heroes, and maybe even for Wog.
What else?

The main thing is that it should be calculated on time and accurately reflect the player's strength!
The exact numbers are not important.
Also, I would separate the rating into an online rating and an offline rating.

As a professional chess player, I find the Elo system more appealing. But it's definitely important to calculate and update ratings promptly! Based on Elo, you can create some kind of grading system (in chess, this translates to sports categories and titles like Candidate Master of Sports, Master, and Grandmaster), and perhaps something similar could be implemented for Heroes. The distinction between online and offline play is also valid; even in chess, there's correspondence chess, which is rated separately.
The rating should be based solely on gameplay; achievements outside of the game (such as organizing tournaments, creating reports, preparing arenas, or judging) should contribute to reputation, not the rating itself.
And it's certainly wrong to allow ratings to be bought and sold, as is done on one of the Heroes-related resources.
As for rewards, distinctive badges

RATING SYSTEM ON OUR WEBSITE

Instead of a preface.
Horn, Chairman of the CS - HeroesLeague Chairman
"I hope that in the future, various Heroes resources will agree on a unified rating; thus, our Elo rating is intended as a prototype for it. For this reason, in large part, I agreed to the classical Elo formula, although I initially proposed a different option. Therefore, there should be no changes in the Elo rating that would be 'unclear' to an outside observer."

Taking into account the discussion on our forum and since many players will play both here and there, the League's rating calculation system has been taken as the basis.

The first difference is that we only have ELO. No prize ratings. All speed tournaments and the like, i.e., single-round tournaments, will be calculated as a round-robin tournament (as if everyone plays everyone else).
The second difference is the separate rating for offline and online. This will be clearer, and if someone wants to convert our rating to the League's, it is sufficient to add them and divide by 2. In other words, it is very simple. Obviously, such a manipulation is applicable if the player participates in both. If only in one type of duel, then that figure should be taken immediately.
The third difference is that dead souls, who do not participate in the game, do not receive a rating.

Rating System.

1. Any newly registered player receives two ELO ratings equal to 1000 for each version of the game (Heroes 2, 3 and 4), but only after sending the final save in a tournament for that version of the game, or having played online.
2. The first rating is the player's rating in offline tournaments and duels, the second in online ones.
3. The Elo rating E (sports rating) reflects the strength of the player, provided a sufficient number of matches have been played. It is redistributed between players as a result of a (completed) duel (in a tournament or a registered duel). No other way to acquire (lose) rating E exists!

Rating Calculation.

4. The winner will increase their rating E by exactly the same amount that the loser will lose, meaning the sum of their ratings remains the same. The stake depends on the ratio of the participants' ratings - by defeating an opponent higher in the rating, a player will receive more points than they would have lost in the event of a defeat.
5. Specifically, Player 1's rating changes as follows:
E1_new = E1 + 20*(R1 - F(E1-E2)),
where E1, E1_new are the old (before the game) and new Elo ratings of Player 1,
E2 is the rating of their opponent (Player 2),
20 is the "price of the game", the total number of points at stake.
R1 is the result of the game for Player 1 (1 - win; 0.5 - draw; 0 - loss),
F(E1-E2) is the expected result of the game. For those in the know, F(x) is the normal distribution function with a mean of 0 and a variance of 80000.
6. For round-robin tournaments (everyone plays everyone), practically the same formula will be used:
E_new = E + 20*(Ravg - F(E-Eavg)),
where Eavg is the average rating of the tournament participants,
Ravg is the player's average result, i.e., the ratio of the number of wins to the number of games played.


Calculation Example.

The question is, how can I find out how much I will win or lose in a game with Vasya? Very simple! Since the number of points played is rounded to a whole number, it is sufficient to calculate the difference in ratings (mine and Vasya's) and look at this table:

|E1-E2| ........ Stakes
0-17 .............. 10:10
18-53 ............ 11:9
54-90 ............ 12:8
91-128 .......... 13:7
129-169 ........ 14:6
170-213 ........ 15:5
214-264 ........ 16:4
265-325 ........ 17:3
326-407 ........ 18:2
>407 ............. 19:1
Naturally, the first of the stakes refers to the player with the higher Elo rating. That is, if I (E=1160) lose to Vasya (E=1089, difference 1160-1089=71), he will take 12 points from me, and if I win, I will get 8 points from him.

CLAN RATING SYSTEM

1. CLAN RATINGS ARE CALCULATED SEPARATELY FOR EACH VERSION OF THE GAME (HEROES 2, 3, 4 AND 5).
2. THEY ARE DIVIDED INTO ONLINE RATING AND OFFLINE RATING.
3. THE CLAN RATING IS CALCULATED AS THE ARITHMETIC MEAN OF THE THREE BEST PLAYERS OF THE CLAN IN THAT VERSION.

Brief comment. The first points are based on the player rating system, and there is nothing new here. Only the third is new. Why exactly three? One and two are not enough to evaluate a clan, and there may not be more than 3 in each version of the game. Why not everyone? Because then the clan leaders would not be interested in mass representation of the clan in tournaments, and only the three strongest players would play. What to do if, in fact, there are only 2 players? I don't know yet. Either not calculate the clan rating at all, or introduce a reduction coefficient, for example, minus 5 or 10%. Not calculating it seems better to me…

4. THE CALCULATION OF THE RATING IN FRIENDLY MATCHES SHALL BE CONDUCTED AS IF SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL DUELS ARE TAKING PLACE.

Example: clan "A" with a rating of 986 plays an online three-on-three duel with clan "B" with a rating of 991.
The ratings of the players of clan "A" are 1030, 990, 940; players of clan "B" are 1015, 1000, 960. Suppose that clan "A" won. Then we calculate three duels: 1030 – 1015, 990 – 1000, 940 – 960. Based on their results, it will be 1040 – 1005, 1000 – 990, 950 – 950.
Then we recalculate the clan ratings, taking into account the change in player ratings, by calculating the three best (who may no longer be these three players).
Such a calculation scheme allows both player ratings and clan ratings to be dynamic.

5. THIS RATING SYSTEM IS TEST VERSION.

RATING SYSTEM ON OUR WEBSITE (still a project)

P.S. What do you think?

Excellent!
A well-thought-out scheme. Just use ELO – without any unnecessary additions!!!

The system will work. Especially in connection with the first tournament! The idea of counting speed runs and similar activities as a round-robin tournament with ELO – is Super!!! But what if a player who finishes 17th gets more points than a player who finishes, for example, 2nd? And will ratings earned in the League be taken into account? And what about experienced players who have earned something on Heroes resources with other rating systems?

But what if the player who came in 17th place scores more than the player who came in, say, 2nd?
And will the ratings earned in the League be taken into account?
And what about experienced players who have earned something on hero-related resources with other rating systems?

Anything is possible, especially if the leaders of the first round lose in the second! But it's just a game!!! But it seems to me that if about 25 people play in the first tournament, then the number of wins at the bottom will be smaller - due to the absence of players, and accordingly, the rating.

Does anyone know their League rating? The last time I checked, I had 1031, but I lost two duels since then. Where are the changes? The final of the Federation tournament has been going on for three months! I'm not going to be the one to count all of this.
The League rating is only relevant for the top 10; for the other 1000 or 1050, it's not that important. I invited last year's winner of the League championship to play with us; we will definitely take his rating into account!:rolleyes:

But what if the player who came in 17th place gets more points than the player who came in, say, 2nd?

The rating isn't important; what matters are victories in tournaments! The prize-winning places should be determined by those victories!!!

The rating isn't what matters, but rather victories in tournaments! The prize-winning places should be what they're meant to be!!!

I'm not against tournament entry fees at all.

Player ratings should be created separately – this is obvious.

Ratings need to be done separately – that’s obvious.

Separately from what? :confused:
We plan to have separate ratings for Heroes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, with a distinction between online and offline play.

Natasha, please update the rankings! Or maybe you just forgot to post them?

Natasha, count the ratings! Or maybe you just forgot to post them?

Indeed, I forgot to post them. I'll find them or recalculate them, especially since the question about them has become relevant again.

Here's another rating option: http://www.wingsclub.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=115&sid=8cf162229501fc6362a02caaaa92ff2f

Indeed, I forgot to post it. I'll find it or recalculate it, especially since the question about them has become relevant again.

I already see it for offline, but where is it for online?

I can see it for offline play, but where is it for online play?

That tournament we played at Polygon? There were many people there who aren't registered here... I think we should only count online ratings for duels and tournaments that will be held here.