Posts from "Newcomer-2011. Winter"
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Group D
Everything is great here again, you are close to 13v. Only two games left, which will determine who will advance to the playoffs. I also congratulate Sevan on finishing the tournament and thank him for the games. Honestly, I didn't expect that...
Well, I can't complain about the starting position, it was quite favorable. In general, you could say that after a series of rests, victory by respawn remained mine.
First week: in my native 1-4,6 in the Stronghold, native secondary skill 1-2, secondary skill "Castle"
Second week: crypt, a couple of medusas, dwarf dwelling, Griffin Conservatory +1 Angel; gloves of the horseman and bow 5%, +2 beehives.
In my native 1-6 in the Castle, native secondary skill 1-3,6 in the Stronghold
Third week: sword +6 attack, speed boots, golden bow, Griffin Conservatory +1 Angel, relic +8 wis
Fourth week: a couple of relics, Griffin Conservatory +4 Angels, took a stroll through the treasure zone
146 received a message that the opponent was surrendering. Sadness:(, I still wanted to fight a bit...
Thanks for the game!:)
As a promotional request, could someone post a demonstration video on how to take the Dragon Utopia with Barbarians? (preferably on the minimum possible week...)
It can be taken at 131 easily with native troops...
The main thing is that Kreg must be leveled up correctly...
Attack and Defense are mandatory, and stats of at least 10 10 for the Dragon Utopia—that's the standard...
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
Kreg will likely have 15-5 rather than 10-10;) ... "Native troops" is a flexible concept: what specifically is meant (for example, 3 simple bears or 5 grey ones - the difference is colossal!)?:confused: Let's say 1 external dwelling of birds, a couple of external dwellings of thugs, bears without a castle on the 1st - how much will that be in total on 131 off the top of my head? 4 bears, 20-25 thunderbirds and some one-hitters (better not take wolves - they get eaten immediately, same as tested...) - it'll be tough to take Dragon Utopia higher than two, IMHO... quite a few birds will be spotted, and maybe the bears will get hit too, only thing is with Kreg's adjustment - then who knows... a lot also depends on magic - whether there's some kind of mass shield or not, that's two very different things... I'm not exactly an expert on Barbarians - and this is 90% theoretical reasoning, I'd like to hear specifics from practitioners:) . And in general, where there are Dragon Utopia, 2-3 hives will definitely be found too, so no need for "native troops" here:p !
1 external dwelling of birds - 23 on the 3rd week
Bears in the map, standard!!!
Kreg 15 11 5 4 5 simple bears, 23 tanrberda, 120 gobltnov (2 external dwellings), 15 ogres, 20 orcs and 15 drovs, that's it!!!
Dragon Utopia on 3 gold is taken easily and without losses if you put the bears in a 6 stack!!! It can be taken on 131, damn!!!
it's unclear where the 15 Dendroids came from in the native army :)
in the third version, such a creep will have all the shooter burned for sure, only Thunderbirds and Mighty Gorgons will remain) and also I have vague doubts about Mighty Gorgons in the Castle as a standard, you might be able to build it, but how to quickly buy them all on week 1 day 2 and transport all the folders to the treasure zone is a very interesting question :)
generally, to take a Dragon Utopia, you need to fulfill 2 simple conditions
-having a striking stack with 700+ damage
-having a shooter that can withstand at least 3 rounds
of course Mass Shield and Stone Skin greatly simplify the task, there is a subtle point here: to cast spells before the Greens and Reds' turn, it's highly desirable to have someone with speed 11+ (even a single one!)
also an interesting observation:
- if on the 1st turn our stack of Angels (or say Monks) hits the Greens or Reds, then both of them will target precisely it in the same round
- casting Shield or Stone Skin on a unit sharply increases the chance that it won't be touched
- Dragons are terribly fond of pecking Nagas, Hydras, Crusaders, and Dendroids (the conclusions in each specific situation are your own :))
and the classic way to take a Dragon Utopia with 7 single units, regardless of which ones, and a hero with Spell Power 10+ and Summon Elementals — when 1 Green remains, if there's no Expert Recurrence, we simply retreat and finish off the unfortunate dragon with a scout hero :)

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
well actually a nest of birds when building bears in castle is 3+7+7+9=26 birds
it's unclear where 15 wood elves came from in the native army :)
in three such a creg will have all his eater burned for sure, only thunders and bears will remain) and also vague doubts gnaw at me about bringing bears into castle as a standard, you might build them, but how on day 121 to tempo-buy and transport all folders to the treasure zone is quite an interesting question :)
generally to take a Dragon Utopia you need to fulfill 2 simple conditions
-having a strike stack with 700+ damage
-having an eater that can survive at least 3 rounds
obviously mass shield and stone skin make the task much easier, there is a subtle point here, to cast spells before the greens and reds move it is highly desirable to have something with speed 11+ (even a single one!)
also an interesting observation:
- if on the 1st move our stack of angels (or say monks) hits greens or reds, then both will peck exactly it in the same round
- casting shield or stone skin on a unit sharply increases the chance it won't be touched
- dragons terribly love to peck nagas, hydras, crushers, horses, and dendroids (conclusions depend on each specific situation :) )
and also the classic way to take a Dragon Utopia with 7 singles of anything and a hero with SP 10+ and summon elementals — when 1 green remains, if there is no ex recursor we simply run away and finish off the unfortunate dragon with a scout hero :)
Useful, thanks ) Last time I also hit with the angel, although I already noticed the tendency. I keep thinking they'll kill the angel anyway, so I dive in first :)
Disgrace damn!!!
1 nest of birds — 23 by the 3rd week
Bears in nambuk, standard!!!
Creg 15 11 5 4 5 simple bears, 23 thunderbirds, 120 goblins (2 nests), 15 ogres, 20 orcs and 15 wood elves, everything!!!
Utopia with 3 gold lies down calmly and without losses, if bears are placed in 6 stacks!!! Taken on day 131 damn!!!
Be more tolerant of people.. ) Especially since you're wrong yourself. And what's with the bears in the 6th stack?
Be more tolerant of people... Especially since you are wrong. And what's the point of mentioning Myth in Heroes VI?
Who knows, maybe they'll enjoy watching dragons burn poor goblins and wolves :)
Next in the list of tasty targets are birds and wolves, and then bears.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D

