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Ranmaru Rei

15 years ago

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Could you provide a link? I also want to take another look, because I don't want to, but Orcs just don't fit in :smile50:.

Link: http://forums.ag.ru/?board=heroes5&action=display&s=0&num=1281911917&start=5050
Check out the last 30 pages or so. Look for posts by LaBoule.

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AnGel.pro

15 years ago

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If there are Orcs, then three evil factions will be against the poor, lonely humans... They were always helped to deal with one faction, and now they will have to fight alone against three?? And also against huge hordes of meat (I mean the demons and necromancers - there are always more of them, especially the latter) =((They definitely can't manage without help here. And the balance will be disrupted (( By the way, are skeletons in the neutral creatures or are they not there at all??

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VaRvArHawk

15 years ago

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Source: http://forums.ag.ru/?board=heroes5&action=display&s=0&num=1281911917&start=5050
Check out the last 30 pages or so. Look at the posts by LaBoule.

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Why should Orcs be evil? Maybe they hadn't become corrupted yet at that time. And in Heroes of Might and Magic V, they were more neutral than evil; they suffered equally from both light and dark magic (unfair :smile29:). Skeletons are still with the Necromancers :smile24:

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Ranmaru Rei

15 years ago

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I think that in Heroes 6, there might not be a division of factions into good and evil at all. By the way, there is also a neutral position.
Perhaps the system will be like in King's Bounty. For example:
1. Humans hate demons, fear the undead, and dislike orcs
2. The Undead don't care
3. Demons consider all other races to be inferior beings
4. Orcs hate demons, dislike humans and mages
5. Mages hate the undead, are hostile towards demons and orcs
6. Sylvan hate demons, are hostile towards dark elves, and dislike the undead
7. Dark Elves are hostile towards sylvan and dwarves, and dislike demons
8. Dwarves are hostile towards dark elves and demons, and fear the undead
9. Nagas...
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In short, something like this is what I think might happen.

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VaRvArHawk

15 years ago

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It would be better if they were neutral, because a villain might commit evil acts for some noble purpose, and a good guy might commit evil acts while striving for peace. :smile08:

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Ranmaru Rei

15 years ago

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In Heroes 5, we saw something similar. It’s worth remembering Arantir and the Orcs from Heroes 5, on one hand, and the demon-worshipping renegades, on the other.

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=Feel999=

15 years ago

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Irdiss Evalle

1. Humans hate demons, fear the undead, and dislike orcs
2. The undead don't care.
3. Demons consider all other races to be inferior beings.
4. Orcs hate demons, dislike humans and mages.
5. Mages hate the undead, are hostile towards demons and orcs.
6. High Elves hate demons, are hostile towards Dark Elves, and dislike the undead.
7. Dark Elves are hostile towards High Elves and Dwarves, and dislike demons.
8. Dwarves are hostile towards Dark Elves and demons, and fear the undead.
9. Nagas...

High Elves hate Dark Elves, and vice versa, they are hostile towards demons; otherwise, everything is fine.
Nagas don't care.

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AnGel.pro

If there are orcs, then three evil races will be against the poor, lonely humans...

Who said that orcs are evil? They can be neutral...

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Pobeditel

I was just assuming that there would be elves, as they are an integral part of Ashan, and I still hope to see them.

My second contender is mages. But that too, it depends. There were no direct denials, but all information can be interpreted in different ways, and... and... Yes, the ways of the developers, and especially insiders, are truly inscrutable :D:).

There are 5 days left until the supposed announcement :).

I also don't quite believe that there won't be elves, but there is a lot of evidence against them (the fact that no one guessed on the VIP forum, although everyone mostly voted for elves, LaBoule said that in 100 messages there was a message about a new race, although there were mostly messages about mages and elves, etc.) And I also think that the insiders are just confusing us...
1 contender (IMHO) - Mages (no deserts), but their champion is not a dragon, so it is unlikely that it will be replaced, although it was replaced for demons...
2 contender - Orcs, the same as with mages, but there are some terrains that remotely resemble steppes.
I think the announcement will be between the 9th and 12th.

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VaRvArHawk

It would be better if they were neutral, because a villain can do evil for some noble purpose, and a good guy can do evil striving for peace :smile08:

But this adds interest to the campaign playthrough; does anyone know if there will be alternative endings in the campaigns, or different paths leading to one ending?

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

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Победитель

15 years ago

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Irdis Evalle

1. Humans
2. Undead
3. Demons
4. Orcs
5. Mages
6. Sylvan Elves
7. Dark Elves
8. Dwarves
9. Nagas.
In short, something like this, I suppose, might work.

Yes, I think that such a set of factions would satisfy everyone, including me :). It's a pity that in "Heroes 6" they will only include five of them (or maybe they will come up with someone else) - that's really too few :(.

And the desert is an argument :(. Where will the mages live then?
Although, maybe before (the events of Heroes 6), they didn't live in deserts, but in jungles... Or the jungles in the Silver Cities turned into a desert as a result of the war between the mages, the undead, and the orcs... Oh, the guessing game starts again. But who else could be from the old factions? Maybe there will be something like the Rampart from "Heroes 3" - elves and dwarves in one faction? They could hide from someone in the jungles :).

Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"

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Повелитель Блэк

15 years ago

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Nagas...

I think that the Nagas will fight the Orcs for territory, which will lead to their complete annihilation (in the events of Heroes 5, there are no Nagas, which means someone exterminated them).

Пара банок пива, снаряд дешевого пойла
Ракета прущего дыма и море свободы
Серьезные помыслы, прущие скорости, мама с вопросами:
- Куда ты дел совесть? Стань взрослым.
Я в ответ молчал виновато
- Посмотри на брата, разве трудно быть нормальным?
Им не понять меня, не поменять меня
Хотели поломать меня - им не поймать меня
В чем моя вина?
Думал бежать отсюда, хлопал дверями злобно -
Обида-паскуда
Мама била посуду и тихо плакала
Молилась за меня Богу - свечи ставила

VaRvArHawk

15 years ago

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Indeed, what happened to the Nagas? They either disappeared, were exterminated, or were driven into deep hiding.
The jungle is most likely their territory.

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=Feel999=

15 years ago

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There are no Nagas in G5, but there is a mention of the followers of the dragon Shalassa. And, like the Dwarves, the Nagas could have been hiding or simply not involved. After all, their islands are far away.

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And the deserts are an argument :(. Where would the Mages live then?
Although, maybe before (the events of Heroes 6), they didn't live in deserts, but in jungles... Or the jungles in the Silver Cities turned into a desert as a result of the war between the Mages, the Undead, and the Orcs... But who else could be from the old factions? Maybe there will be something like Rampart from "Heroes 3" - Elves and Dwarves in one. They could hide from someone in the jungles :).

There are grounds: summer plains, autumn plains, wastelands, jungles, dungeons, I don't think I forgot anything. Based on this, we can assume that the Dwarves are immediately excluded (there is no snow).
Both Forest and Dark Elves have a land type (but the champions of these factions are dragons, and the champion should remain the same).
Mages could not live in the jungle, unless these jungles resemble oases... The jungle is well-suited for Nagas in the Japanese style (:smile28: ).
Since the Necromancers and Mages live in the same territory, it can be assumed that the Mages may also live in the wastelands.
And there won't be a Rampart :( , they did say that this faction appeared in Heroes 5.

By the way, some units have had their names changed:
- Priestess is now Sister
- Temptress is now Lilim
- Excruciator is now Lacerator
- Juggernaut Ravager is now Ravager
- Bone Guard is now Skeletal Spearman
- Grave Ghoul is now Ravenous Ghoul
- Putrid Lamasu is now Lamasu
- Festering Lamasu is now Putrid Lamasu

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

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Wistrit

15 years ago

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- Putrid Lamasu is now Lamasu
- Festering Lamasu is now Putrid Lamasu

They have been downgraded to a lower level of development.

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

=Feel999=

15 years ago

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Festering Lamasu is just a bad name for a Lamasu.

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

Ranmaru Rei

15 years ago

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=Feel999=, I agree with you. I also liked this:

- Juggernaut Ravager is now Ravager
- Putrid Lamasu is now Lamasu

Simpler, better.
The rest is more or less okay, although I think the first two should not have been changed.
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I hope UbiHole notices that many people are tired of waiting for the announcement of the 4th faction.

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=Feel999=

15 years ago

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Irdis Evalle

Simpler, better.
The rest is more or less okay, although I think the first two were better left unchanged.
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Hopefully, UbiHole will notice that many people are tired of waiting for the announcement of the 4th faction.

That's often the case; sometimes, you don't need to overcomplicate things. And the Priestesses and improved Succubi were renamed for no reason. Also, what does Lilim translate to?
Maybe they forgot that it's time to announce the 4th faction:mad:

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

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