Round table — Online Tournaments

Oelm

10/18/2010 9:50 PM UTC

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Why is Gurney weaker with one stack compared to Alkin without a siege weapon? A specific question. I played a lot with Pyrrhus, and sometimes he would arrive without a siege weapon.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

13v

10/18/2010 9:56 PM UTC

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So, you're saying that Gurney is stronger because he has at least one stack, while Alkin has at least one stack as well?

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The point is that this "happened" very rarely, maybe in 5% of 100% of cases, which is more like a bug in the game. I haven't analyzed the game's source code, so I can't say for sure whether it's a bug or if it was designed that way, but the conclusions are obvious.

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Oelm

10/18/2010 9:58 PM UTC

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Just compare 10 Gnolls and 20 Goblins, who would win? The point is clear in any case. There's no ranged unit, so look for one; if you can't find it, switch to another unit. What's the problem?

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

13v

10/18/2010 10:02 PM UTC

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Are 10 gnolls the minimum starting stack for Alkin? I can say for sure that 20 goblins are not the minimum starting stack for Gurney, but rather the maximum!

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The problem lies in a bug in the game that is not addressed by our rules, creating an imbalance.

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Oelm

10/18/2010 10:16 PM UTC

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Making the rules excessively complex is also not a good option. Besides, objectively speaking, if there's a good hiding spot or a resource-rich Hive, I definitely wouldn't want to restart the game in that situation.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

13v

10/18/2010 10:30 PM UTC

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Yes, I understand you, you are right in your own way, almost always you can find options, change the hero (even if you wanted to play with this one), have hidden spots, but sometimes you don't have enough resources or hidden spots, build a forge and buy a ballista. But I don't think the rules will break down from such an addition, especially since I'm not the first and not the last to raise this issue, and such an addition exists in the rules of European portals. Besides, the rules are there to reduce the shortcomings of the game itself, identified over the years, and to try to balance it. Take Starcraft, for example, where they simply released a patch that fixed these shortcomings, and there were many such patches; they didn't have to write and, moreover, expand the rules. Unfortunately, the game is too old for the developers to write new patches for it. And take WT, in my opinion, it's a completely different game, not a classic.

numOne

10/19/2010 3:21 AM UTC

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Play as Crag.

Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

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readme

10/19/2010 3:51 AM UTC

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Keba

I read the thread a bit, it's funny... I understand that the whole argument started because someone nitpicked about the phrase "50 goats against 117," but it wasn't specified whether it was against an opponent in an online game, or just a general statement. So, it was just a playful comment. Then, someone else, who is also not exactly a pleasant person, started arguing. But the first person reasonably proved that it's possible to have 50 goats against 117, and it doesn't matter if it's in single-player or not. Anyone who disagrees should just stay silent. Now, the second person is trying to prove his point by relentlessly attacking the first person because of his high moral standards.

to readme

Play the game and calm the restless one) (I'll bet on you)

Everything will be fine; we agreed to play on Sunday.

Lider1

10/19/2010 4:54 PM UTC

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I see that qualifying rounds are being organized in different places. I'd like to know if there will be something similar in Kyiv.

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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RomarioGrom

10/19/2010 7:06 PM UTC

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Lider1

I see that qualifying rounds are being organized in different places; I would like to know if there will be something similar in Kyiv?

This question is really bothering him:D As I understand it, it will happen, but the timing is unclear:(

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Wicc

10/19/2010 7:08 PM UTC

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So, what’s the problem? Just organize it.

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Captain

10/20/2010 7:09 AM UTC

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Lider1

I see that qualifying rounds are being organized in different places. I would like to know if something similar will be held in Kyiv.

I was the organizer in Kyiv in the past, so I should write something. For now, only a couple of people have expressed interest in getting together again... You will be the third leader, among those who have expressed interest.
I don't want to force anyone, so if anyone has any thoughts, discuss them with each other on ICQ. Even though some people criticized me for the previous final, I am still willing to help organize it... and I would like to participate myself.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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Lider1

10/20/2010 7:22 AM UTC

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Wicc

So, what’s the problem? Just organize it.

Look where I am and where Kyiv is.

That is, the previous organizers have connections within the organization, plus they have accommodation on site.

You get the idea.

Captain

I was an organizer in Kyiv in the past, so I need to write something. So far, only a couple of people wanted to meet again... you will be the third leader, among those who expressed a desire.
I don't want to drag anyone in, if anyone has any thoughts, discuss them with each other on ICQ. Even though some people criticized me for the last final, I am still ready to help organize... and I would like to participate myself.

I don't know about others, but as far as I'm concerned, the qualifier (not the final, I don't know about the final) that I participated in was enjoyable :smile20:. I only have one wish: add a template editor... And somehow coordinate it with the VT.

If I go, it will be at least with one other person, maybe even three :D

Of course, if there are only three of us and plus two more people, then it won't work...:mad:

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

RomarioGrom

10/20/2010 1:21 PM UTC

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Which 3 people? There's also Roma (Sem) who will participate; he said he talked to Julian and that he will join too... We'll gather enough people for the tournament;). If it's really difficult, we can bring in some hardcore fans from the second team:D And maybe we need a separate thread for this? There will be a product and a buyer:smile02:

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