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Yesterday, in the thread "World Championship for Heroes3," the issue of the Swamp's offensive power at the start was raised. Mainly, it was compared to other Castles, but during the discussion, the topic of the starting hero for the Swamp Castle came up, which wasn't fully developed in the main thread but continued later in private messages.

In this regard, there is an idea to play a tournament similar to the spring "Shahti vs. Gunnar" tournament, but with a different pair of starting heroes.

Tournament rules:

0. The tournament status is friendly/fun.

1. Two teams participate – one for Tazar, and the other for Bron. Players register, indicating which team they want to play for.

2. When enough players have gathered, each team chooses a captain. Then, the captains agree with each other and with the host about the draw.

If they can't agree (unlikely, but just in case), they can simply play "by boards" – the captains independently create a numbered list of their players.

3. Each mini-match consists of two games: one on 2sm4d(3) and another on 8mm6a. That is, each participant plays two games in the tournament. If the score is 1-1, then the mini-match ends in a tie. By mutual agreement, players can play four games (two on см and two on мм6).

In case of a tied tournament score, an additional game may be scheduled between the strongest players from each team.

4. We will play SoD; by mutual desire, TE-Lite. We won't play on WT because Bron doesn't have crocodiles there.

The rules of the game are standard for Heroes, you can find them, for example, in the Favorites-3 thread (/topic/7249/.

You can change your hero during the game, but only the starting hero remains unchanged.

5. With each subjective restart (111 and 113), the colors switch. On см, Tazar gets the red color in the first generation, and on mm6, Bron does.

By mutual agreement, you can play without switching colors upon restarts; then, one player plays with red in the first game, and another player in the second game.

6. Please do not change the rules "by mutual agreement" (except for the nuances mentioned above) because the goal of the tournament is to determine which starting hero performs better under these specific rules and on these maps.

7. The host position is open. I would like to participate as a player myself, so someone else should judge.

We will not start before its time; we will wait until the regulations and rosters are finalized.

Estimated duration of the tournament: 1 month from the date of publication of the draw; it should be enough time for two games.

Suggestions and proposals are welcome.

UPDATE: There were suggestions to diversify the roster with another team playing for Vistan, Broghild, Alkin, Dragon, and others. Therefore, registration is now open here – if there are enough willing participants, we will organize a third team.

TEAM ROSTERS

Tazar:
1) GoD
2) TERM
3) Loi
4) TERI
5) Javdet (captain)
6) theShevanesian

Bron:
1) Wic (captain)
2) RiMpel2
3) Wowa
4) Deriel_Linch
5) Preds
6) Redwhait HP

Vistan & Co.:
1) OUTLAW (Vistan)
2) Hermit (Broghild)
3) NumOne (Vistan) (captain)
4) Van (Gervulf)
5) Wlk777 (Vistan)
6) Лось (Dragon)

DRAW AND RESULTS

Tazar - Bron 3:1
1) GoD - Wowa
2) TERM - Preds 1:1
3) Loi - Wic
4) Javdet - Redwhait 1:0
5) theShevanesian - Deriel_Lynch
6) teri - RiMpel2 1:0

On см, Tazar gets the red color in the first generation, and on mm6, Bron does.

Tazar - Vistan & Co. 3:3
1) GoD - OUTLAW
2) TERM - numOne 0:2
3) Loi - Hermit 0:1
4) TERI - Van 1:0
5) Javdet - Wlk777 2:0
6) theShevanesian - Лось

On см, Tazar gets the red color in the first generation, and on mm6, Vistan does.

Bron - Vistan & Co. 4:2
1) Wic - numOne
2) Preds - OUTLAW 2:0
3) RiMpel2 - Hermit 0:2
4) Deriel_Linch - Лось 1:0
5) Wowa - Van
6) Redwhait - Wlk777 1:0

On см, Bron gets the red color in the first generation, and on mm6, Vistan does.

UPDATE: If restarts 111 and 113 have been used (only in this case), then you can take a restart per block. Whether it's a block or not is determined based on common sense. If there are disputes, contact the host.
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I could understand if there was a tournament between Tazar and Broghild, but Bron clearly loses to Tazar. Maybe only if there are a lot of Basilisk lairs. I'm signing up for Tazar. And who will judge? There's AK...
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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I would understand if there was a tournament between Tazar and Broghild.
What Broghild in SoD? :)
and Bron clearly loses to Tazar.
In my opinion, Bron is stronger than Tazar, at least on 8mm6, I start with him there. Regarding the CM, I don't know, I haven't tested it.
What's the problem - there's the AK...
The AK takes a very long time to make its decisions, plus it mainly specializes in complex issues like cheating. But here, quick action is important, so there should be one specific host. He can contact the AK if he deems it necessary.
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what are the advantages of using Brog in the Conflux?

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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I can start as Broghild instead of Tazar in Shades of Darkness, in any of the groups. If I only had two options: start as Broghild or Bron, I would choose Broghild without hesitation.

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LeBron
What's good about Broghild in Shades of Darkness?
And what's good about Bron? Broghild is good because you can find hives on every map, and her wyverns are better than those of other heroes.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Hermit
What are Bron's advantages?

Well, because of the crocodiles from the start... which allows you to gain a good momentum in the first week, and you can break through many tough defenses that Taz can't handle.

And in the second week, the upgraded crocodiles are a very good help in battles.

Taz's advantage starts to show somewhere in the middle to end of the third week, and by that time, not all games reach that point.
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Hermit
What are Bron's advantages?
He can have up to 7 crocodiles at the start.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Hermit
I would choose Broghild without hesitation :)

He has better wyverns than other heroes.

And what's better in SoD? +1 speed? and a tiny +1 attack and defense after level six?

It's much better in WoG! and 25% health, and growth, and a mega-imba build with classes, but in SoD, he's just a regular swamp creature.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Well, because crocodiles are available from the start... which allows you to gain good momentum in the first week, and you can break through many tough defenses that Taz wouldn't be able to handle.

And in the second week, upgraded crocodiles are a very good asset in battles.

Taz's advantage starts to become noticeable somewhere in the middle to end of the third week, and by that time, not all games will have reached that point.
Does this imply a technical restart if Bron arrives without crocodiles at the start?
And it's not mentioned what difficulty level it is: 160% or 200%.

P.S. maybe create a team for Vistan as well? He seems to have fans besides Sam.
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PReDS
Does a technical restart imply that Bron came without crocodiles at the start?
Well, it's not mentioned in the rules of Hv, so it's not implied by default. But you can agree on it (in exchange for something similar).
And it doesn't say what the difficulty is: 160% or 200%.
The rules of Hv default to 160%. At 200%, it's clear that Bron is out of the competition...
P.S. maybe create a team for Vistan as well? He seems to have fans besides Sam.
If enough people are interested, why not?
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Is a technical restart implied if Bron doesn't have crocodiles at the start?
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Well, it's not in the HeroesWorld rules, so by default it's not implied. But you can come to an agreement (in exchange for something similar).
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If we restart every time because Bron doesn't have 7 crocodiles, then the tournament should take at least 1 month per ROUND ;) After all, there are also 111 and 113 :)
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I'd like to reserve a spot, if you have any available.
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In the default HeroesWorld rules, it's 160%. At 200%, it's clear that Bron is unrivaled ...
Vasya, who is not the weakest hero player, started with Tazar when we began a fun game in Kingisepp using Chaos rules: Castle vs. Swamp. Too bad we didn't finish it.
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For Wiston with 3 stacks :)
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Vasya, who is probably not the weakest HoMM player, started as Tazar when he and I began a fun game in Kingisepp using Chaos rules: Castle vs Swamp. It's a pity we didn't finish it.
It wasn't pure SoD there, but a Chaos patch for SoD. Specifically, 2500 gold at the start, which allows Taz to get some kind of an army.

Although, in my opinion, that was still just Vasya's quirk.

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