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Wicc

7/20/2010 4:35 PM UTC

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Wlk777

I'll ask for the third time—how do you think that miserable Dragon Utopia would have helped Britva against 43 of Nell's angels with Cloak and growth near 20 per week? If he opened the save, do you really think he is so stupid as to continue resisting in this game, especially using cheats?

Why not?

For example, the well-known Eddie tried to play honestly, but when he realized he was losing, he would open the map and pull out of hopeless situations.

Specifically regarding the angels—well, you could make a draw, for instance. That's exactly why you need to steal all the controls on the map. Or use some trickery. Or wear them down with Blind/Disrupt. Or take over the angel external dwellings and build your own stack. Or something else; there are tons of options here of varying degrees of feasibility, especially if you can see the map. Maybe wait for some mistake by the opponent. After all, 43 angels aren't a death sentence yet.

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Wlk777

7/20/2010 5:02 PM UTC

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Wicc

This is exactly why you need to steal all the control points on the map.
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....Or harass them with Blind/Disrupt.
.... Or take their Angel nests and build your own stack.
.....Because 43 Angels isn't necessarily a death sentence.

All of this are very weak arguments. There was no control in the Utopia. Steal 7 Angel nests? Blind/Disrupt? "Incoherent babbling" (C) :)

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Wicc

7/20/2010 6:00 PM UTC

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The main arguments are in the first two paragraphs. Basically, you can always surrender, so why not try to fight for a while. The rest are just my ideas; it's not certain that Britva thought about them; he was just playing. Regarding Blind/Disrupt – this is a very effective strategy against powerful stacks. I myself have killed 20 Archons with some weak army using this, the main thing is to not run out of mana too early, and Expert Fire Magic + Air Magic are also welcome, as are expendable creatures.

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Wlk777

7/20/2010 6:05 PM UTC

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Wicc

The main arguments are in the first two paragraphs.

Wicc

Why not?

For example, the well-known Eddie tried to play fairly, and when he realized he was losing, he would reveal the map and try to salvage hopeless situations.

So, as I understand it, these are your main arguments, right?

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Wicc

7/20/2010 6:08 PM UTC

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Wlk777

So, as I understand it, these are your main arguments, right?

Against your argument - yes.

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Wlk777

7/20/2010 6:20 PM UTC

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Wicc

Against your argument - yes.

Nonsense. The accusations regarding this save, at the very least, seem like accusing someone of stealing a gun to shoot down a plane. The probability of winning this game as Gurney using any maphacks is about the same. The only viable option is to prolong the game until the opponent is exhausted.

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Wicc

7/20/2010 6:32 PM UTC

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Well, continuing the fight is definitely a positive move, and it deserves praise. I personally managed to pull off victories even in more challenging situations, including against opponents with full control.

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Wlk777

7/20/2010 6:45 PM UTC

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Wicc

He personally managed to win even in difficult scenarios, including against opponents with full control.

Can you give an example? I find it hard to imagine how one could defeat such a large number of angels (and possibly even archangels) with Nela wearing the cloak. And what if you remove the cloak and immediately cast antimagic on the archangels? They will kill everyone in a maximum of 7 rounds =).
Well, that's beside the point, here's another question/thought: couldn't we use software to provide complete control over the computer (something like Radmin)? Just in case, maybe someone doesn't want to go anywhere but wants to prove that they can play well and without cheats? (Although, for me personally, such proof doesn't have much significance in terms of the question of whether someone is a cheater or not, but there are people who think differently).

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Lider1

7/22/2010 12:33 PM UTC

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Message from Wicc:
I personally managed to pull off even more difficult strategies, including against opponents with full control.

80 angels? :D

Actually, yes, if you have the saves, it would be interesting to take a look.

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

Wicc

7/22/2010 1:26 PM UTC

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No, it didn't reach 43 angels yet :). I would rate the following scenarios as more challenging, for example: on the 4th week, I have 3 pixies from my army, while my opponent has more stats and castles, 3 native reinforcements, 10 angels, 20 vivs, and full control (!). I probably won't be able to find the saves anymore, although I can try. In general, if the opponent doesn't have control or is slow, the situation isn't hopeless. Especially if you have control and speed. Therefore, continuing the fight in a Blades game is a perfectly reasonable step.

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Dirty_Player

7/22/2010 1:43 PM UTC

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How to save the game? It’s very simple. Eat the Dragon Utopia, take all the control points for yourself, and fly around attacking infantry; let guilds build if they find enough resources. If there are funds available, you can hit and run. Has no one ever played against a strong opponent with control of the map?:confused:

I played against Britva Jebus Cross. I went out into the center on turn two, took the Dragon Utopia, artifacts, and eventually ate up the entire center… Andrey came out on turn three, but he was killed immediately (he ran away without an army, it seems). It seemed like I would win somehow… BUT… I lost the game because Nella gathered 43 Titans from 5 hidden locations near her respawn point!!! :eek: This is my most frustrating loss, but it was a very interesting game.

Knowing Andrey, I'm sure he will wear down any strategy through sheer persistence. I respect his determination to win!

Oelm

8/13/2010 5:30 AM UTC

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I have nothing against either Gomungulus or Britvo4ka, but in my opinion, they are completely different people, both in their manner of behavior and as individuals. Or is it a distorted reflection?

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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PReDS

8/13/2010 7:18 AM UTC

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Wlk777

Enough with the healing – the tactics are roughly the same on all maps: muscle, treasure, control...

With that tactic, you can only win on 8xm12 either through sheer luck or against some newbie. You must be confusing it with 6LM10.

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AYMAN

8/13/2010 12:37 PM UTC

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Oelm

I have nothing against either Gomungulus or Britvo4ka, but in my opinion, they are completely different people, both in their manner of behavior and as individuals. Or is it a distorted reflection?

Andrey Britvochka and Vitaly Gomungulus are completely different people. There is no distorted reflection here.

I know both Andrey and Vitaly well.