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Offline Саня Изи
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You need to find the BDP. But what’s the point of it in the final stage?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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#108
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You need to find a way to exploit the Best Defense Position (BDP).

And who told you that this tactic works in 100% of cases?
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But what's the point of it in the endgame?

If the map is designed for rushing, then it's very effective, but in a long game with level 30 units, breaking through defenses doesn't matter as much (though there are exceptions...).
If the map is medium-sized or even larger (assuming there are no unrealistic garrisons), then you can break through a lot with this tactic (though not everything), which means you can still rush.
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But that's not interesting if it doesn't work in 100% of cases. So, what should you do if the bonus doesn't drop, or if, say, regeneration with increased stats doesn't occur? But the tactic with Succubi against mages works and is quite effective.
Personally, I mostly play late-game, so this bonus is useless to me. And besides, I'm currently playing on a map where there's a very nice garrison with Phoenixes and Elementals.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Well, it's not interesting if it doesn't work in 100% of cases. So, what do you do if the "Battlefield Promotion" perk doesn't trigger, or if, say, regeneration with a level increase doesn't happen? But the tactic with Succubi against mages works very well.
So, does the Succubi strategy work in 100% of cases for you? And on what day of the game do you recruit them into your army?
P.S. If you don't get "Battlefield Promotion," it means you got "Battlefield Machines":smile25:
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Personally, I mainly play in the late game, so I don't need this "Battlefield Promotion" perk. And besides, I'm currently playing on a map where there's a very nice garrison with Phoenixes and Elementals.
You just haven't fully appreciated the "Battlefield Promotion" perk - but that's your problem...
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In the late game, Battle Standard of Plenty can be used with the Trickster skill. And also, with this tactic, you can defeat not only 30 Archmages, but many more. The point is that the Archmages run out of mana, then their spells, and then the Imps simply run away from the mages (having more speed and initiative).
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So, does your strategy with Succubus work in 100% of cases? And on what day of the game do you recruit them into your army?
My tactic with Succubus and Mages works great. And not just with Mages. And I recruit them at the beginning of the 2nd week without any problems. And I don't necessarily need to level up the hero to level 10.

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In the late game, Battle Priests can be used with Tricksters.
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I urgently want to see a Trickster Demon.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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[/U]:smile52: :smile52: :smile52:
I really want to see the demon-trickster in action.

It's very simple. The demon will go into the Dungeon, cast a couple of Berserks or Subjugations, and run away (Battlefield Presence helps it last longer).
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In my opinion, this is a very questionable tactic. Most likely, they simply won't let him escape.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Temptresses shouldn't be the core of your army. If you spend too much on them early on, you might lose other key units, like Pit Lords, for example. Temptresses are expensive, and building them in the early stages of the second week can be very unprofitable. Besides, if, GOD FORBID, the mages attack first (and if they split into 4 units, this is a very real possibility), before the Temptresses, the result will be predictably disastrous.
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Ganseng
Temptresses are not the backbone of the army. If you spend too much on them too early, you might lose another key unit, like Pit Lords, for example. Temptresses are an expensive unit, and building them in the early second week can be extremely unprofitable. Moreover, if the mages happen to go first (and if they are divided into 4 units, this is a very real possibility), the result will be disastrous.
Well, Lordesat has a different opinion on this:

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My tactic with Temptresses and mages works great. And not just with mages. I hire them in the early second week without any problems. And I don't necessarily need to level up the hero to level 10.

- I suspect he knows some big secret, unknown to us...

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P.S. Taking this opportunity, I want to thank Valery for posting the replay - the idea of breaking through with Ballista + Sign is demonstrated quite clearly in it - and I suggest making a similar replay of Lordesat. It would be very interesting to see how 6 Temptresses (Jezebeth always comes to the tavern ;) ) kill 30 Archmages in the early second week.
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First of all, there aren't 6 temptresses, but 11, because smart players build Halls of Temptation in the first week. And secondly, especially for Antonag07, who is so eager for a replay:
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Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Let's do a quick analysis: valery lost 12 Imps. And Lord lost more than three times that amount. Therefore, I'm leaning towards the option with higher efficiency, even if it takes a bit longer.

However, if there's a strategy and the Boots of the Wanderer are available, you can still use the old method: two groups of Cerberuses and jumping Demons.
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Ganseng
Let's do a small analysis: valery lost 12 Imps. And Lord lost more than three times as many. Therefore, I tend to favor the option with higher efficiency, even if it takes a little longer.

And I also want to note:
1. The strategy with Blood Drakes is perfectly viable even in the first week (unlike the Succubus strategy).
2. With Blood Drakes, you can defeat not only 30, but also many more mages (unlike the Succubus strategy).
3. Blood Drakes don't require a large number of resources (anticipating Lordesat's objections, I'll say right away that buying machines and upgrading Succubi on the hero is quite expensive and can backfire later, for example, there may not be enough sulfur to upgrade Dogs, which any slow infantry can easily defeat).
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Sure, go ahead and use your Battle Standard of Plenty. I think that taking it only for clearing neutral creatures in the late game is pointless, so I will look for other tactics.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Un-upgraded dogs are just meat; they get upgraded the very next day after the kennel is built.

Having Battle Dogs Proficiency (BDP) in skills isn't fatal. A 30% reduction in melee damage is already a good thing.
Let me know if you find anything; we'll take a look.)
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