Discussion about the Britvachka-Valenok party. — Tournament Committee

Wicc

7/5/2010 9:07 PM UTC

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Pasha, please revert the moderated text. There is no profanity there, but rather a psychological analysis that is quite useful for developing methods to detect cheaters.

Personally, I haven't played with Britva, but I was quite certain a long time ago that he was a cheater. The arguments were roughly the same as I outlined in the piece you deleted.

Life has shown that I was not mistaken in my assessment, and therefore, I believe that this reasoning deserves to be made public.

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Дубровин Павел

7/5/2010 9:10 PM UTC

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Wicc

Pasha, please revert the moderated text. There is no profanity there, but there is a rather useful psychological analysis for the methodology of catching cheaters.

Personally, I haven't played with Britva, but I was quite confident that he was a cheater a long time ago. The arguments were approximately as I outlined in the piece you deleted.

Life has shown that I was not mistaken in my assessment, so this reasoning, in my opinion, deserves to be voiced publicly.

Yura, those insults directed at Britva that were there cannot be left.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Wicc

7/5/2010 9:13 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

Yura, those insults directed at Britvochka that were there cannot be left as they are.

Where did you see the insults? In the recent discussions, the level of language was much higher, and the arguments were more heated. Besides, even here, higher up in the topic, people expressed themselves much more harshly.

P.S. I can edit the text to make it look more civilized without losing its meaning. Please specify the exact phrases you didn't like (you can send them via ICQ).

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bRitvo4kA

7/5/2010 9:25 PM UTC

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Wicc

I couldn't get through all the comments, so I might be repeating someone.
The march toward Dragon Utopia is a heavily negative move (if you can't see Dragon Utopia). Running across the wilderness while there are still unexplored roads isn't very strategic at all, and running with your father across the wilderness where "everything has already been stolen before us," and without prior scouting to boot, is complete nonsense. Or a cheat. A normal move here would have been either to keep going along the road or to portal home.

It's exactly that "everything has already been stolen before us" situation—most likely along the road in this case—and portaling home was only possible via redemption.

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Oelm

7/5/2010 10:45 PM UTC

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Unfortunately, this is just an attempt to fit the practice to the theory. 1. As I understand the essence of this mini-nostalgia: the main motive is to capture the strategic center, and then play according to the situation. That is, first we clear our treasure locations until we gather enough strength to go to the center, and then we head there. Considering this, specifically in this mini-nostalgia, having a ranged unit that can jump to the opponent's treasure location will hardly be a disadvantage, regardless of the opponent's skill. 2. It is also quite possible that the opponent divided their army. One part clears the treasure locations, and the other, say, the center, or another treasure location. I wouldn't say that this is an unlikely scenario. 3. In fact, you can find an additional motive. The fact is that from the underground, it is highly likely that you can use a ranged unit to attack the center. 4. Moving through rough terrain cannot be a very bad move in any case. Well, maybe it's not a utopia, but a couple of uncleaned lairs might be there. Considering that roads are the slowest, moving through rough terrain is definitely a promising option.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Catch

7/6/2010 1:39 AM UTC

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Oelm

I'm not going to argue; if you want, you can play the single-player and see for yourself, I already know that your option is the most ownable.
Well, it's obvious that in this scenario my option is more ownable :) I also looked at the contents of the Dragon Utopia :) And specifically the fact that Britvochka chose the least ownable option, and after a break on top of that, was very suspicious to me :) Moreover, which is very important, these moves didn't quite fit into the game logic. But having seen the previous saves, I realized that after spotting the swamp Dragon Utopia he rushed exactly there, and then just blindly rode into the darkness away from it. There was no logic there and still isn't. He just got lucky in this specific scenario. Now I consider this option the most plausible. And I'm not voting in the poll because I don't see a third idk option in it. And I cannot state yes or no with 100% certainty.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

Vigo

7/6/2010 2:43 AM UTC

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Perhaps my opinion won't change anything, but I definitely want to share my thoughts.

A former cheater, who used to cheat by viewing the map in online games, has now started playing again. I was the first to notice (based on personal experience) and confronted him back on the Heroes of Might and Magic forums. Since then, I haven't played with him, but I've observed what others are saying about playing with him. It seems like everything has been fine, and he's now considered a strong player. I thought he had improved and was now more interested in playing fairly, but I guess I was wrong.

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

FireToSky

7/6/2010 3:09 AM UTC

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Previously, I voted against the idea that Andrey was cheating, without fully understanding the details, and was more influenced by my personal opinion. However, after looking into it and reading the opinions of respected people, I am now leaning more towards the "Yes" option. Regarding Catch's skill, he is right – Britva is definitely not a top-tier player, which is confirmed by his rather strangely justified actions, such as "catching noobs," "maybe even finding a DD and a fly spell." Personally, this approach to the game, hoping for some kind of luck, indicates a low skill level (which somewhat contradicts the player's level) or some silly excuses. P.S. Please take this into account in case of a controversial situation during the voting – I am voting "Yes."

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Gomunguls

7/6/2010 6:34 AM UTC

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Wicc

Personally, I haven't played with Razor, but I was quite sure a long time ago that he was a cheater.

:D :D :D.........

Удача любит подготовленных!!!

Стримы и обучение тут:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWlnXU5R5RLCMuWzIpBc65Q

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bRitvo4kA

7/6/2010 6:44 AM UTC

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Vigo

I was the first to notice (based on personal experience) and pointed it out to him back on the Heroes of Might and Magic forum. Since then, I haven't played with him, but I've observed what others are saying about playing with him, and it seems like everything has been fine, and he's been considered a strong player. I thought he had improved and was now much more interested in playing fairly, but I guess I was wrong.

Vigo, don't make things up; I haven't played with you, just like I haven't played with Wico in my life. (Unless you're playing under different nicknames.)

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SEM_56

7/6/2010 6:56 AM UTC

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The presence of random and unexpected moves (unpredictable ones) is constantly evident in Razor's gameplay!!!
Is it randomness or luck??
Of course, it's neither!
It's impossible to constantly make random, ill-considered moves and find the right objects!!!
Therefore, draw your own conclusions!!!
Paul World doesn't play against Razor (and neither do I, after a few games), and everyone will tell you why!!!

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

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Vigo

7/6/2010 7:00 AM UTC

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bRitvo4kA

Vigo, don't make things up, I haven't played with you, just like with Wic, in my life. (Unless you're playing under different nicknames)

You're lying, you little bugger!!! We played several times, the first time I suspected something, the second and third time I showed your gameplay to honest players, and they also said you were cheating, and I publicly confronted you then, and you couldn't even explain anything and just swore and I banned you for that on HP! So you wouldn't offend decent players and waste their time!

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

bRitvo4kA

7/6/2010 7:07 AM UTC

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I checked again specifically (I save game saves and chat logs) – there isn’t a single game with you; you’re lying, and you’re doing it shamelessly.

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Vigo

7/6/2010 7:16 AM UTC

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Moderated: INSULT in the message

Everyone will stick to their own opinion.

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

bRitvo4kA

7/6/2010 7:27 AM UTC

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Vigo

You're lying, you little bugger!!! We played several times.

Maybe you should first post a link to the reports of these games, attach the save files – they must still be available, and then start insulting?
And here is the entire conversation with you