Discussion about the Britvachka-Valenok party. — Tournament Committee

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Captain

7/4/2010 6:59 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

An open folder of random maps doesn't tell us anything. Many people watch replays of games that were restarted.

We played 2 vs. 2 – just for fun and without restarts.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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Дубровин Павел

7/4/2010 7:05 PM UTC

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Catch

Is the map editor the only way to check? In my opinion, only a save game dissection will show what is in the Dragon Utopia. By the way, a lot of time passed between 145 and 146. Apparently, the game was put on hold...

Yes, there was a break at 146.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

Catch

7/4/2010 7:10 PM UTC

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There seems to be a lot of suspicion, but in my opinion, there's nothing you can prove here.

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KillerVampire

7/4/2010 7:29 PM UTC

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An overview of the air or ground units would dispel all suspicions, but unfortunately, I never saw it :( which makes Razor's actions a bit strange, but still, there's nothing 100% provable here, because fleeing from the road in case of an unexpected attack from an opponent shouldn't be ruled out either!!! We need to hear the version of the player in question and only then draw conclusions, although I voted that there was no cheating here, and maybe I'm right.....

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Here, Valenok might also look bad, because he went down to the metro where the massacre took place, and most importantly, as many as 7 ANGEL units were there!!! Or is that normal :))))

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Conclusion - based on the strange actions in this game, there's a DRAW..... Draw your own conclusions - I've drawn mine, that everything is clean - even if it's strange :)

Catch

7/4/2010 7:35 PM UTC

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I didn't get the part about Valenok. Do we have a ban on going down into the metro, and did he violate it?

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By the way, I checked it out... That Dragon Utopia in the "north" is the most necessary. In the others, parameters were given sparingly, and I already had the blue hat.

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Dirty_Player

7/4/2010 7:36 PM UTC

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Catch

We have a ban on descending into the metro, and he violated it?

As for Dimension Door into the darkness, there aren't any bans on that either, as far as I know.

I think this is about how if you analyze every single match, you can find something to nitpick in every other one.

KillerVampire

7/4/2010 7:41 PM UTC

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The main question is, why did Valenko, the Necromancer, leave? He could have gone down and finished them off. Was he too stingy to let the noobs pass, or did he just take a look and then didn't go any further, as if he knew what was there???!!!!!

Oelm

7/4/2010 7:43 PM UTC

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By the way, for those interested, I had a game with Andrei a long time ago, where I did something similar – I took Utopia with control, also in an unexplored part of the screen. There was even more guessing involved, but I lost the game because of weak play in the Fortress of Blood.
Overall, it's a normal game logic.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

KillerVampire

7/4/2010 7:44 PM UTC

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Let's upload all the save files, not just the ones from level 147. If we're going to analyze them, we should start from the very beginning; otherwise, it won't be interesting!

RomarioGrom

7/4/2010 7:44 PM UTC

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I've looked at all the saves; the movements of the heroes (red) could be noticed, and one could assume that Nelka was there. Regarding the Dragon Utopia, it's quite likely a gameplay situation; based on the available info at the moment, I lean more towards intuition than maphack (especially since you can't see if the Dragon Utopia was taken at 147 or not).
"By the way, I checked... That Dragon Utopia in the "north" is the most necessary one. The others gave little for parameters, and the blue hat was already there." I personally love running on mini-nostalgia, and layouts where there are 3-6 Dragon Utopias on a single patch are quite real, and there might be far more than 1 or 2; to speak about the necessary Dragon Utopia, one would need to uncover everything on the entire map (maybe there were much tastier Dragon Utopias in their own treasure zone and much closer...).
Is it possible to upload the map itself?

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Oelm

7/4/2010 7:46 PM UTC

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Let's analyze all the saves, not just the one from level 147 – if we're going to do this, let's start from the very beginning; otherwise, it won't be interesting!

That's absolutely right.

In such a game situation, even intuition isn't necessary. It's just a simple "move."

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Catch

7/4/2010 7:48 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

As for Dimension Door into the darkness, there are no prohibitions against that either, as far as I know.

Kostya, let me explain a bit what seems suspicious to me here. Although few saves have been posted. It would be preferable to see the saves at least starting from 141 to understand the game logic a bit better.
At 145, one Dragon Utopia is revealed. Apparently, there are no plans to try and take it. A lot of unexplored territory, including around the home computer. Nelka has significantly higher stats. The conclusion is simple: you need to find the Dragon Utopias. The game is postponed. After that, the necessary Dragon Utopias are found within two days. At the same time, it must be noted that the stats might not have saved them, considering that angel external dwellings provide a huge advantage in one's army. In other words, one must act quickly and decisively. Which is exactly what happened after the game resumed.
I am not arguing—all of this could have happened without a maphack, but it is specifically this sequence of events that seems somewhat suspicious to me.

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KillerVampire

7/4/2010 7:51 PM UTC

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Catch

Kostya, let me explain a bit what seems suspicious to me here. Although there are few saves posted. It would be desirable to see the saves at least starting from 141 to understand the game logic a bit.
At 145, one Dragon Utopia is revealed. Apparently, there are no plans to try and take it. A lot of unexplored territory, including around the home AI. Nelka has significantly higher stats. The conclusion is simple: you need to find the Dragon Utopias. The game is postponed. After that, the necessary Dragon Utopias are found within two days. At the same time, it must be considered that the stats might not have saved them, given that angel external dwellings provide a huge advantage in one's army. That is, one must act quickly and decisively. Which is exactly what happened after the game resumed.
I am not arguing that all this could have happened without a maphack, but it is specifically this sequence of events that seems somewhat suspicious to me.

And there are no suspicions regarding Valenok's actions???? If we are going to analyze—then only BOTH players, and not just the one who is pointed out first!!!!!

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Dirty_Player

7/4/2010 7:54 PM UTC

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The most frustrating thing is that the turn was delayed, and it took an unknown amount of time.

In such a game situation, even intuition doesn't matter. It's just a simple "move."

The move wasn't that simple. It would be interesting to calculate the mana to find out how many times the move was reviewed.

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KillerVampire

Aren't there any suspicions about Valenka's actions? If you're going to investigate, you should investigate BOTH players, not just the one who is pointed out first!!!!!

It's necessary to analyze things sequentially, not everything at once. Moreover, the move really requires analysis!

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Catch

7/4/2010 7:55 PM UTC

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KillerVampire

Aren't there any suspicions about Valent's actions? If you're going to investigate, you should investigate BOTH players, not just the one who is pointed out first!!!!!

In general, Pasha specifically asked whether there was cheating in Britvochka's actions. If he asks a similar question about someone else, we'll look at others.

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