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My suggestion was to allow Hardcore players to play against a bot; this is better than automatically assigning them to a team (although that's also fine).
Dirty_Player
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Dirty_Player
Dirty_Player
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However, the approach with Techwin is somewhat unfair to other players, as he essentially played one game less than the rest.
Oelm
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If a bot deliberately plays to win, in order to deny the opponent the right to advance, and it doesn't care about the result at all, it will only mean that it is a complete jerk.
But this is really nonsense.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
Dirty_Player
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This is truly absurd.
Give an example, at least, of a sport where the participation of bots is accepted?
A boxer got sick. How is that possible? His opponent will advance to the final for free!!! Nothing terrible, to prevent such injustice, Nikolai Valuev steps in as a bot. And if, by chance, he wins, then the sick boxer advances to the final. :D Is that normal?
SpiriTT
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In a situation where there are no arguments, and this will do. :D
Give an example, at least, of a sport where the participation of bots is accepted?
A boxer got sick. How is that possible? His opponent will advance to the final for free!!! No problem, to prevent such injustice, Nikolai Valuev will participate as a bot. And if, by chance, he wins, then the sick boxer will advance to the final. :D Is that normal?
But you really went wild with the Valuev example...
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
злой_романтик
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Bone, alright, forget it... The main thing is, I didn't hear an answer to my question – who among those who lost points on Loser agrees to receive those wins? Please reply in this thread. No offense, I'm just really curious.
SpiriTT
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I already wrote in the seasonal thread – I lost myself due to a bunch of mistakes; I saved the game, checked it – didn’t see anything suspicious. So, in principle, I agree not to change the result in my own game.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
Pit for LM
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Too many judges is a bad thing...
And, most importantly, it's bad when those with only a vague understanding of the tournament's progress start arguing.
At the moment, the argument is pointless.
The current situation is as follows:
- Gomunguls with 6 points is definitely in the Top 8.
- That leaves 2 spots open. Players with 4.5 points cannot qualify.
- FireToSky with 5 points has already qualified from the 2010 tournament.
- There are four players left – those who, depending on the outcome, could score between 4 and 6 points (no result for Captain - Hardcore+ yet):
Dubrovin Pavel - 4.5 or 5 points - if he is awarded 5 points, he won't qualify based on tiebreakers, as his tiebreaker score is very low due to games against Kostya, Vitya, and Loser.
Volland - has a clear 5 points and a high tiebreaker score.
Regardless of the scoring method, Volland and the winner of Captain - Hardcore+ will likely qualify.
Let's wait for the match to finish, and then we'll think about it (well, if anyone wants to shout, argue, or conduct pointless polls, it won't influence my decision).
And, most importantly, it's bad when those with only a vague understanding of the tournament's progress start arguing.
At the moment, the argument is pointless.
The current situation is as follows:
- Gomunguls with 6 points is definitely in the Top 8.
- That leaves 2 spots open. Players with 4.5 points cannot qualify.
- FireToSky with 5 points has already qualified from the 2010 tournament.
- There are four players left – those who, depending on the outcome, could score between 4 and 6 points (no result for Captain - Hardcore+ yet):
Dubrovin Pavel - 4.5 or 5 points - if he is awarded 5 points, he won't qualify based on tiebreakers, as his tiebreaker score is very low due to games against Kostya, Vitya, and Loser.
Volland - has a clear 5 points and a high tiebreaker score.
Regardless of the scoring method, Volland and the winner of Captain - Hardcore+ will likely qualify.
Let's wait for the match to finish, and then we'll think about it (well, if anyone wants to shout, argue, or conduct pointless polls, it won't influence my decision).
Dirty_Player
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(well, whoever wants to, can shout, argue, and conduct pointless polls, but it won't influence my decision in any way).
Captain
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I look forward to Hardcore every evening. He has a job, so he only checked in once – we played for three game days – and then he had to go home.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
SpiriTT
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Seriously?! I'd give you zero stars for failing to meet the deadlines.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
злой_романтик
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It feels like Pete is the ultimate authority here – a king and a god in one person :D As far as I've seen in the latest messages, there's no real conflict; it's just a normal exchange of opinions about the current situation, mainly between me, Dirty, and Spirit. And even if we assume that I have a "weak understanding of the tournament" (although it's very interesting why), the last two definitely have a good understanding, and a very direct one at that. By the way, it's very unclear what significance the last match has in resolving the issue of Loser's matches. How does it work? If one wins, it's one decision; if the other wins, it's another? It feels like there are double standards here :rolleyes:
SpiriTT
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Expressing opinions in this manner resembles more of an attempt to "pressure the judge" than a simple discussion. That's why Petya wrote, "Good luck to you, but it won't change my decision, so don't bother."
And that's probably the right approach. I myself stuck to my point of view, but as has been repeatedly stated, there is no perfect solution, because it's a Swiss-system tournament. So, refer to the regulations, point 8, if my memory serves me correctly...
And that's probably the right approach. I myself stuck to my point of view, but as has been repeatedly stated, there is no perfect solution, because it's a Swiss-system tournament. So, refer to the regulations, point 8, if my memory serves me correctly...
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
злой_романтик
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Point 8
8. Players with a "Cheater Mark" are not allowed to participate in the tournament. If any player receives a "Cheater Mark" during the tournament, they will be disqualified, and their results will be annulled. The organizers will decide on a case-by-case basis whether players on the "Black List" can participate in the tournament.
RESULTS WILL BE ANNULLED!!! Is there even a single word about technical issues???? Fine, I'm tired of arguing; if you want to use technical exploits, go ahead; a precedent has been set!
8. Players with a "Cheater Mark" are not allowed to participate in the tournament. If any player receives a "Cheater Mark" during the tournament, they will be disqualified, and their results will be annulled. The organizers will decide on a case-by-case basis whether players on the "Black List" can participate in the tournament.
RESULTS WILL BE ANNULLED!!! Is there even a single word about technical issues???? Fine, I'm tired of arguing; if you want to use technical exploits, go ahead; a precedent has been set!
SpiriTT
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there is still no ideal solution, because of the Swiss system
Where the hell were you all a week ago, defenders???
When I posted that result, which you are now arguing about? Where?
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.