Gremlins — Academy — HeroesWorld

Registered: 6/12/2009

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#16 12/16/2009 12:41 PM UTC

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Oh, a new moderator has appeared. Alright, let's stop the off-topic chatter. I'll get straight to the point: Gremlins are not the best first-tier unit, as Ingvar believes. However, they might have the best mini-art.

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#17 12/16/2009 1:42 PM UTC

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If you think about it, for defending the castle, the "gremlin" units are simply great! Turn off the catapult and wait for the flying units to arrive, and then quickly deal with the archers.

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#18 12/16/2009 2:26 PM UTC

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What about an earthquake? Or a gate?

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#19 12/16/2009 8:47 PM UTC

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Not all factions will be able to learn these types of spells quickly enough to destroy walls: Necropolis, Academy, and Dark Elves (if they learn Summon and find Earthquake), and also Dwarves. But most likely, Necropolis or Academy will use Earthquake because they have Summon in their castle, and there's a chance of getting a good one... As for the combat factions, even if they learn Earthquake, the damage will be terribly low. The exception is the High Elves; they have Summon, so all they need to do is find Earthquake and get Elder Druids, and the walls won't stand a chance...
However, Gremly do their job of causing trouble perfectly in all other cases.

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#20 12/17/2009 4:21 PM UTC

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Have you not heard about the "earthquake" ability?

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#21 12/18/2009 1:42 PM UTC

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The funny thing is that the damage from this spell, if there are no summoned creatures, won't be very high (you'll have to cast it several times), and it also requires a lot of mana.

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#22 12/18/2009 2:02 PM UTC

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I think that at least for demons and dwarves, there won’t be any particular problems with this.

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#23 1/1/2010 5:14 PM UTC

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Haven't you heard of the "earthquake" ability?

Dear zombie peasant! Tell me, what normal person would waste an entire level on this useless ability?

I haven't been on the forum for a while... Now I agree that Goblins aren't the best Tier 1 unit.

We could have 3 leaders: 1st place: Warriors and Skeleton Warriors, 2nd place: Goblin Marauders, 3rd place: Hunters.

Thanks, guys, for responding.

I was actually talking about Goblins with Miniatures - (getting their initiative up to 21 is actually pretty cool!).

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#24 4/8/2010 11:46 AM UTC

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Ingvar Vysokiy

Dear zombie peasant! Tell me, what normal person would spend an entire level on this useless ability?)

I will :)! At least because this ability is necessary to obtain the super ability of mages.

Ingvar Vysokiy

I haven't been on the forum for a long time... Now I agree that Gremlins are not the best unit of level 1.

You can make 3 leaders: 1st place: Warriors and Bone Warriors, 2nd place: Gremlins, 3rd place: Hunters.

Thanks guys for answering.)

Gremlins are not the strongest creatures of the first level, that's true. I would rank all the creatures like this:
1 - Warriors/Mountain Guards
2 - Assassins/Hunters
3 - Dryads/Nymphs
4 - Elder Gremlins/Gremlins
5 - Bone Warriors (not Archers)
6 - Imps/Devilings
7 - Militia/Lords
8 - Goblin Trappers/Goblin Shamans

Ingvar Vysokiy

I was actually talking about Gremlins under Minotaur buffs - (increasing their initiative to 21 is actually cool!)

Initiative 21 :eek:? Then I underestimated the Gremlins.

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#25 4/11/2010 11:22 PM UTC

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The player with the nickname Gilraen clearly hasn't played Heroes much, because he thinks that Dryads, Gremlins, and Assassins are better than Bone Warriors, and that Trappers are worse than Landlords. And it's definitely too early to write off Imps, since they steal mana. Even though Warriors are slow, they're practically useless with 1-2 damage. So, I agree with the peasant that they're just dumb meat.

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#26 5/26/2010 3:42 PM UTC

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Ingvar Vysokiy

I was actually talking about Gremlins under Minotaurs - (increasing their initiative to 21 is actually great!)

That's right! Gremlins are indeed the best tier 1 unit. But only for mage heroes, especially Hafiz. ;) And isn't +15 HP cool? Then they are harder to destroy than Warriors.

In general, you are judging incorrectly who is better. All units are approximately the same, but who is better depends on the situation.
For example, Gnomes are really strong under Ingvar. + to attack, defense, HP, runes:smile11:
But will they be strong under the command of, say, Hafiz or Vaishana?

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#27 6/3/2010 4:12 PM UTC

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Off-topic Sorry))
I don't even feel like writing...
Are Warriors just dumb meat? *facepalm*...well, their damage isn't that high, but have you ever looked at their defense stat and the "Wall of Shields" ability? They're really good at holding back attacks...
In the final stages, they EXCELLENTLY PROTECT priests and archers, so don't say that!:smile48::smile10:

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#28 6/13/2010 4:57 PM UTC

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Ereb

Off-topicSorry))\
I don't even feel like writing...
Are Warriors just dumb meat? *facepalm*...well, their damage isn't that great, but have you ever looked at their defense stat and the "Shield Wall" ability?...they're really good at taking hits...\
In the final stages, they EXCELLENTLY PROTECT priests and mages, so don't say that!:smile48::smile10:

Maybe they're okay for taking down dumb neutral creatures, but they're definitely not suitable for playing against a smart and skilled human opponent. Knowing their high defense and low damage, they're simply left for later, and at the end of the battle, they're used, along with vampirism, as fodder for resurrection. Warriors aren't the coolest first-level unit, believe me, unless they're under Ingvar. But I wouldn't say they're completely useless; I think goblins are the most useless.

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#29 6/13/2010 9:56 PM UTC

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Lordesat, if you think goblins are the most useless, then you probably haven't played against a smart Orc enough. Goblin mages, with a quantity of 700 (approximately) or more, can effectively block hero spells! Especially Necromancers don't like that!)))
And regarding warriors:
1. I'll give an example for resurrection under vampirism: peasants, fairies, gremlins, etc. It's easier to resurrect them!)))
2. I think stalkers are the coolest, because of their overpowered invisibility!)))
3. You say warriors are good for taking down stupid neutrals? Which ones are you talking about? Zombies? They usually don't make it very far. Gargoyles? Warriors protect ranged units very well, with their "wall of shields" ability or the "no retreat" ability. Warriors fight well against creatures of the same level, except maybe stalkers or magical damage from fairies... For me, warriors are a super unit; in skilled hands, they are an excellent unit.
4. When clearing neutrals, single units play the main role, so it's only situational to attack with the main stack... the same goes for Orcs; there, peasants play that role, as well as goblins, etc.
5. If you compare warriors to skeletons, it's clear that skeletons are more deadly but weaker and win by numbers... so everything is fine.)))
Sorry for the off-topic, but I just don't have the words to explain it!

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#30 6/15/2010 7:59 AM UTC

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Ereb

Lordesat if you think goblins are the most useless, then you probably haven't played much against a smart Orc... goblin mages with a quantity of 700 (approximately) and above can effectively block hero spells! Especially Necromancers don't like that!)))

Hehe, yes, I know how "effectively" they block:p :D

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Warriors effectively protect ranged units, with their "Wall of Shields" ability or the Fortress ability "No Retreat".

That "wall of shields" only protects the warriors, while a smart AI opponent will target the ranged units. (I'm not even talking about melee units; even someone who has played Heroes a couple of times can handle them.)

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Ereb

4. When clearing neutral creatures, single units play the most important role, so it's only situational to attack with the main stack... the same goes for Orcs, where peasants play that role, goblins, etc.

What does that have to do with anything? Do you think I don't know that?:D :D

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Ereb

5. If you compare them to warrior skeletons, it's clear that skeletons are more effective but weaker and win by numbers... so everything is fine...)))

Skeletons win not only in numbers but also because they have a large shield, magic resistance, and a stunning attack. There are many more of them than warriors, and they are easy to resurrect. In addition, they are immune to poison, mind control, and morale penalties. There you have it, everything is fine.

P.S. When was the last time you played against a real player, not the computer?:D :D :D

P.P.S. If you keep clicking on me in Battle.net, I'll hang you, shoot you, gut you, and crush you with a steamroller.:smile19:

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