Discussion about Looser. — Tournament Committee

asm

16 years ago

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Please, if it's not too much trouble, upload the video featuring the loser as the main character to some file-sharing service.... My server can't handle the load, and the public wants to see the material.
And post the link here; I'll duplicate it on the first page.

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SEM_56

16 years ago

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Tolikandro

SEM_56 but as I understand it, you were unhappy with the AK's decision regarding Alex? After lengthy discussions, more and more people agreed that the decision should have been put to a vote. Why repeat the same mistake? There might be people who are unhappy with the AK's decision again! Maybe it would be better to conduct a poll to determine what measures to take and whether there was map hacking. Although I personally am 100% sure that there was.

Yes, I was unhappy, and I still am.
But that doesn't mean I will constantly be unhappy!!!
The AK is working well, but not in the interests of any one person.

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Neoandy

16 years ago

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http://slil.ru/28988342

I watched the video, and immediately had questions for Vigo:

1. Who is "Vitalka - Looser"?
2. How often does he play Heroes from your work computer (why doesn’t he play from his own), and what are you doing during that time? Is your participation required for him to be able to play from your computer?

To Looser’s opponent:
- Check the Hamachi network and reply — is Vigo there, or only Looser?

HeroesWorld moderators (or authorized AK members):
- Have the IP addresses of Vigo and Looser been checked for similarities? There are materials from the Portal — they can be compared.

To Looser:
Tell us in detail, how did you register Mikogo? ;)

cannabis

16 years ago

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when will a proper anti-cheat system finally be implemented?

mals

16 years ago

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Watched the video. If this isn't sabotage by the loser's rivals, then a World Championship is definitely needed.

fireman

16 years ago

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Asm did the right thing. It’s unlikely that you can put together something like that in such a short time, especially considering that I took an hour and a half for an interview with Asm yesterday. I think that, with some tweaking, it might be possible to launch 2 instances of Heroes (using Diablo 2 as an example). The loser is defending himself in a very ridiculous way, especially considering that Asm has no incentive to do such things. I want Asm to think about anti-cheat measures so that no one can cheat and modify saves. Perhaps it could be implemented so that after each turn, the save is sent to the VT server (from both players), and they continue playing from the save on the server.

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http://www.mmgames.ru/files/fireman/Losser.bs4 - right-click on the link, save as, format bs4.

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It is possible to create some rules, for example, that the game is loaded from the save of the player who was asked to interrupt the Tournament.

PS: I edited the message (removed the cheating method)

AYMAN

16 years ago

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I had no doubt about you being a loser. After our game in King's Bounty not so long ago, I immediately had suspicions, and thanks to the respected Asm, everything became clear. Thanks to you, Asm, I wish there were more guys like you to catch (and in person, you could easily get slapped in the face for something like that). I apologize, of course, but I think it's right. After the scandal with Vitalik, I think many people had suspicions about the guys Loser and Vigo. Because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, friends. I hope our administration will react objectively and adequately to the incident. P.s. After such cases, not only do I not want to play with those who cheated, but it also becomes unpleasant to play in general (because the thought may slip that the opponent is from Vitalik's circle). I sincerely apologize if I was too harsh and rude, sorry - maybe it's just emotions.

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Interesting video :)
Well, the situation seems obvious. A loser was playing Heroes, and Cobra came over to visit. The loser went to the kitchen, and the curious Cobra stuck his nose into the game again :D. We're waiting for the snake's comments :D :D :D

But seriously, I think it's time to make it mandatory for players to stream their games through Mikogo, with all applications.

1. Who is "Vitalka - Looser"?

I'll join the question. Is it not viltalca by chance? :D

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Captain

16 years ago

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Dirty_Player

Interesting video :)
Well, the situation seems obvious. A loser was playing Heroes, Cobra came over to visit. The loser went to the kitchen, and the curious Cobra stuck his nose into the game again :D. We're waiting for the snake's comments :D :D :D

But seriously, I think it's time to make it mandatory for players to stream their games through Mikogo, with all applications.

I'll join the question. Isn't it viltalca by any chance? :D

The idea is good, but for example, I can't stream - I have a 2 GB monthly internet traffic limit :)
A couple of cartoons for the little one and then Heroes... that's it...

And some people have really bad internet.

Vitalik - maybe it's time to stop bothering him?
He doesn't play at night, it's time to know that :)
I'm saying this as his lawyer :)
I hope Kyiv will show us everything!

And I'll repeat once again - a cheater will find a way to bypass any control or protection. Here, you just need to appeal to the nobility of the soul. Either a person is honest or...

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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It's actually quite a simple solution. I've been suggesting this for a while now. Each player enters their password before the game. Saving can only be loaded by entering TWO passwords. That's all the magic there is to it!
ERM should allow for such actions.

Ivanhoj

16 years ago

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2 Gigabytes is great. :) For example, my plan is 200 MB per month.

Each player enters their password before the game.

And this is truly wonderful. What is ERM?

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Catch

16 years ago

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Ivanhoj

2 Gigabytes is great. :) I, for example, have a plan of 200 MB per month.

Where is this possible? :eek: In the same city, I have an unlimited plan for 10 Mbps for 700 rubles per month. And if the speed is lower, you can stay within 200 MB.

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Ivanhoj

16 years ago

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This is wireless internet – it’s SkyLink’s cheapest plan. Because cables aren’t run to every house. There’s 50 MB per day, but I won’t really use that much traffic. And an unlimited plan is still too expensive.

mals

16 years ago

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a town 300 km from Krasnoyarsk (where bears roam the streets), which is 4,000 km from the capital - 600 rubles. 512 kbps. 1 Mbps - 900 rubles. Unlimited.

злой_романтик

16 years ago

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Got back from work and finally read what you guys are discussing here. I'll say it straight away – I'm not a clone of Vigo, Loser, Vitalik, or anyone else; I think there are many people who can confirm that. :) I didn't even know such players back then. So, I'm sure that Vigo and Loser are different people – they had simultaneous conversations on ICQ, different communication styles, and so on.

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Regarding Loser... The video certainly shows a lot, but IMHO, what normal, adequate person with a brain would cheat with Migogo turned on? It seems that the same arguments were used in Alex's defense, and many people, including me, found them convincing. In general, I believe that any doubts should be interpreted in favor of the accused, but doubts still exist. I think that anyone who has communicated with him will say that he doesn't make the impression of someone who would launch a second copy of Heroes and enter codes there. By the way, I still can't understand how that's even possible?:confused:

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