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Offline Captain
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There should be only one organizer.
The idea of a club tournament was suggested by me and Sam. Nagan picked it up and expanded on it. Am I now in charge of organizing the final tournament as well? The answer to this question has already been received from the people who voted for Kyiv.

I don't understand why we always have to argue about something... especially about Vitalik - everyone wanted to test his strength. He is the king on the Heroes Portal and a teacher to many modern heroes.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Offline Mizrael
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Well, this is completely (censorship - incorrect)... here's Captain's post on the first page of the thread:

Nagan, you listed many deceased players. Of course, it would be great to gather them all, but... I don't believe it.

The idea of tournaments in clubs is interesting. However, I posted an announcement about such a tournament in Kyiv on the portal, and there is absolutely no interest. For Neo to travel 1000 km to Kyiv is difficult, I think.

Regarding the Schism - well, I don't know. Everything here depends on Vitalik, but if he was already strong then, and now there are no such rivals that he had before, then... the conclusion is obvious.

P.S. By the way, there are methods of cheating even in clubs... even when the judges are watching.
But the idea is good. Thank you for suggesting it; you're not falling into a deep sleep.
And now this person is talking about his authorship of the idea; honestly, I'm in shock because the idea initially belonged to Eric, and many people signed up because of him. After this, I definitely won't go to Kyiv; Samurai correctly noted that the topic has become a farce.
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Mizrael
Well, that's just completely (censored - inappropriate)... Here's Captain's post on the first page of the thread:

And now this person is talking about their authorship of the idea; honestly, I'm in shock because the idea originally belonged to Eric, and many people signed up because of him. After that, I definitely won't be going to Kyiv; Samurai was right – the topic has become a farce.
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I completely agree!!! Sorry, but I think Captain is a bit off, whether it's his head, memory, or conscience (underline the appropriate one)...

It's a shame that without Eric, the event really risks turning into something awful!:( :smile18:
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Offline Wicc
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Captain
There should be one organizer.
The Portal’s ways have really messed with your head.

You guys are used to solving issues using an administrative and command-based approach – whether it’s Gorbik, Neo, or other leaders. It’s just how things have historically developed. The League operates on a similar principle.

Other sites have different customs – on Bay and HW, it’s customary to resolve issues democratically; the judge/host/moderator must justify the legitimacy of their decisions and engage in public discussion. And be prepared for the possibility that they will disagree with you and force you to change your decision.

Within this tournament, the situation is similar – there are too many Bay and Worlds players to line them up in a single row. Therefore, you’ll have to negotiate, otherwise, the prospect of impeachment will become a nuisance. As you have been subtly hinted at in this thread.
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Offline Forrest
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Guys, let's argue less. :)
The organizer organizes.
But the results of individual qualifying rounds are determined by the tournament judges.

Stinger said before the tournament that if he goes from Moscow, he won't claim the Michurinsk trip. If Keba isn't going, then 4th place goes to Stinger. If he isn't going, then the next one, and so on. IMHO.
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Offline Loi
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Friends, I propose a project to overcome the schism in our heroic community...
Just saying, regarding the goals...

Regarding the situation:
or maybe apply the wild card mechanism? :)
Стратегия - искусство возможного.

Первое правило форума :
"Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно
И не оспаривай глупца" (с)

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Loi
Just to reiterate, regarding the goals...
Agree. Pre-tournament discussions never hurt any tournament; they only create publicity.
Depending on the situation:
maybe we could use a wild card mechanism? :)
A queue will immediately form. No way. Let's stick to a purely competitive principle.
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... There will be a long queue behind him right away. No way, no way. Let it be...
Is this your humble opinion, or did you make a unilateral decision on behalf of everyone (like the Captain a few posts earlier) to immediately dismiss this option?
Стратегия - искусство возможного.

Первое правило форума :
"Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно
И не оспаривай глупца" (с)

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Loi
Is this your humble opinion, or did you make a unilateral decision (like the Captain did a few posts earlier) to immediately dismiss this option?
This is my not-so-humble opinion, which I expressed at the beginning of the tournament and which Nagan fully supported.

If there are constructive counter-proposals, please present them, along with arguments and a list of signatures.
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Offline Aldegir
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:confused: :( :mad: :eek: :smile35: :smile13: :smile14: :smile49:
Homo Homini :smile03:

Острые копья мы воткнём в небо
Полками затмим горизонты
Знает уже враг не откупиться
От казака ему золотом жёлтым.

Мы выступаем не за трофеев
Ведёт нас вперёд великая вера
Если погибнуть за землю родную
Не побоиться тут каждый быть первым.

Лютая братия будет битва
Сложат былины мудрые деды
А коли останемся в поле навеки
Что-ж, жить нам после - в легендах.
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Offline Dust_HL
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Pelyad, (what a fish) how could you even... just how? Who entrusted the organization of the final to Captain? He's already completely out of his mind! It's disgusting to read this nonsense! What kind of "General" CIS Championship is this, and how is it supposed to overcome the Schism in the Heroes community with such outstanding "unique" individuals like Mr. Tsar? At best, the discussion will continue for another "ten" pages, and at worst, half of the participants won't even show up because of such organization! They took an excellent, repeatedly proven organizer and replaced him with someone who lacks everything needed to make the tournament actually happen and be held at the highest level. What were they thinking? They chose Kyiv to "see the sights," or to actually gather and play Heroes properly? Most importantly, besides experience, Eric has the personal qualities that are so necessary in this business, qualities that Captain seems to have been deprived of since childhood, judging by his communication on the forum: diplomacy, the ability to find a compromise, impartiality, the ability to lead people, respect... and now this upstart will be "in charge," who can only rant on forums. Ugh, what a terrible tournament... It's already difficult to get away from Siberia, and with such arrangements, the desire to participate disappears altogether. -1, I'd rather go to Radu in Michurinsk, where I can at least play Heroes seriously and have a pleasant conversation.
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
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Offline Catch
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Wicc
The Portal has completely messed with your head :).

Wicc, don't generalize :) It's not the Portal, it's probably innate, or acquired along with upbringing.
Although I have nothing to do with the tournament, I was initially against the final taking place in Kyiv. Right away, Captain said that Siberia and Yekaterinburg wouldn't be able to come, well, so be it, that's how it is now... Captain, take off the crown. It's not your idea, you're not the sponsor, you're just an ordinary organizer who has established himself in this role. Well done, of course, but be more modest. I remember before the 1994 World Cup, the USA, who were the organizers, approached FIFA with a bunch of proposals to reduce the field, increase the goal size, and cancel offsides. How did it all end? FIFA politely told them to go away. Organizers? Organize, but please don't interfere with the rules. What would have happened if the USA had come up with a proposal to replace a couple of participants with their NATO allies?
Nagan and Michurinsk looked a hundred times better in all plans, it's a pity that in the end, the opinion of people who like to walk around museums and sights prevailed.

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I'd rather go to you, Radu, in Michurinsk, at least I can PLAY seriously in HEROES, and have a NICE chat.

Let's go together, Lyosha :)
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Wicc
This is my humble opinion, which I expressed at the beginning of the tournament and which Nagan fully supported.

If there are constructive suggestions to the contrary, please present them, along with arguments and a list of signatures.
By the way, I wrote to Erika several times about the Wild Card, and I think it would be a good idea. Give 3 spots to those who, for various reasons, could not participate in the qualifying round, and there are many of them, or simply didn't get lucky enough to qualify, but have a great desire and opportunity to come and play in the tournament.
It would be possible to choose 3 worthy candidates who want to participate in the final by a general vote of the finalists.

to Catch, let's eat together if I can, things are going downhill for me right now :-( We'll bring Vana with us ;-)
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
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Offline Dirty_Player
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I might get bombarded with tomatoes for this, but the current situation is entirely Nagana's fault! He's developed a habit of starting something big and then letting it run its course without proper management (like with the interportal tournament). He should have immediately sent out a message saying, "We're holding qualifiers, and the finals will be in Michurinsk, period." But no, instead, we have these votes... Pre-tournament votes have never benefited any tournament (remember what happened in the $10,000 tournament when the organizer asked for the participants' opinions... :D). At the start of the tournament, the organizer publishes the rules, which serve as a challenge. Those who accept participate, and those who don't go elsewhere. That's it! Where is that Nagana, who showed up on the forum from the very beginning and resolved all issues in a straightforward, no-nonsense manner?

Given the current situation, since Kyiv has been chosen, we'll have to trust Captain, as the local organizer, and Vik, as the judge that Captain invited. I suggest that Vik and Captain communicate with each other via ICQ, reach a common understanding, and publish the final rules according to which the tournament will be played, and which ARE NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION!!! Based on this, some will buy tickets, and others won't. Unfortunately, it's impossible to please everyone.
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Offline Catch
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Kostya, Kyiv chose Captain again. When only 9 people voted for Kyiv, and the Moscow qualifier hadn't even taken place yet, not to mention the Minsk and Dnepropetrovsk qualifiers, Captain was already writing about Kyiv's victory in the vote. And this manner of his, writing nonsense with a confident air, has brought him success on forums many times; it's designed to make most forum users believe anything if someone says it confidently and with a knowing look. Moreover, he skillfully shifted the focus from the vote for the location, which, in my opinion, was illegitimate, to the vote regarding the version, template, and so on. He diverted attention. And if someone other than me and a couple of people who know Captain too well and didn't fall for his trick, and who looked ahead, had done so, they would have seen what this could lead to. As a result, we have what we have. Two months before the final, Captain managed to quarrel with half of the finalists, unilaterally rejects the results of the qualifiers, and decides who will go and so on. To be honest, I, and I'm sure most sensible people, don't need such a championship.
By the way, it's not over yet; I think Michurinsk can easily handle organizing the championship.
And regarding Nagan, I agree with you on some points. Eric, you really are one of the most respected people in the Heroes world. Put your modesty aside. Be more decisive. Say it and stick to it. And then different "tsars" and "captains" won't ruin your ideas.
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