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I have never seen such bias from any organizer as I have from Captain:(
Posts from Club championship of the CIS countries.
Captain
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Consider it done... after that, I don't know how I managed to restrain myself and not start swearing, I just ended the conversation.
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The captain should be reprimanded for being rude :smile10:
It's one thing to be an organizer, but the list of participants is determined not by personal whim, but by an established procedure. Therefore, it's difficult to exclude anyone.
Keba says he won't be able to come, so at the moment, the spots from Moscow and Michurinsk are as follows:
Moscow:
1. Eddie
2. Pit
3. Stinger
Michurinsk:
1. Leha
2. Preds
3. Mizrael
If anyone else can't make it, then Vitalik is next, followed by Skorp.
That's the first thing.
And secondly, Wicc, you're a judge, but not the organizer of this tournament. And you can't decide who will be a participant.
Stinger and Preds didn't make it through the qualifiers in Moscow. That is, the Michurinsk team is weaker.
Preds took 2nd place in Michurinsk,
Stinger took 3rd place
In Moscow, Preds took 6th place!
And Stinger took 4th.
Therefore, if Preds is 6th in Moscow and 2nd in Michurinsk, then Vitalik is definitely stronger than Mizrael and Skorp.
You like to calculate Berger's coefficients... please calculate them.
And if you don't like the organization, I'll take responsibility off myself for all of you coming to Kyiv.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
Mizrael
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I removed that interjection to avoid violating the forum rules (although it wasn't a swear word, it still wasn't appropriate), but it doesn't change the essence of the matter.
Forrest
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By the way, Vova wrote something important about VT.
With a bunch of templates, we'll waste a ton of time renaming RMG. Clubs always have trouble with this. + auto that can be replayed. Max settings for SoD and let's go. Captain, think about it—we'll save real time. And what could be more valuable?
The version is new, everyone is on equal footing.
With a bunch of templates, we'll waste a ton of time renaming RMG. Clubs always have trouble with this. + auto that can be replayed. Max settings for SoD and let's go. Captain, think about it—we'll save real time. And what could be more valuable?
The version is new, everyone is on equal footing.
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Piterius
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Why is it back to discord and swinging from one extreme to another again? Why can't everything be resolved in a calm, balanced manner?
Samurai, you really are a Samurai — you hear something and immediately draw your saber, dammit. Please don't add fuel to the fire, be more restrained. You always need to hear both sides, and only then draw conclusions.
Personally, I still don't understand what yardstick anyone is using to determine who will go from where if one of the three can't make it? And I'm probably not the only one who doesn't get this. And I don't mean WHO should determine it, but HOW to do it. It should be a method that is clear and transparent to everyone. Maybe this is what we should talk about, rather than argue about who decides what here?
Samurai, you really are a Samurai — you hear something and immediately draw your saber, dammit. Please don't add fuel to the fire, be more restrained. You always need to hear both sides, and only then draw conclusions.
Personally, I still don't understand what yardstick anyone is using to determine who will go from where if one of the three can't make it? And I'm probably not the only one who doesn't get this. And I don't mean WHO should determine it, but HOW to do it. It should be a method that is clear and transparent to everyone. Maybe this is what we should talk about, rather than argue about who decides what here?
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.
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Wicc
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Vik, to give someone a piece of your mind – or rather, to be able to judge fairly – you need to listen to both sides! And Mizrael started the conversation with me using profanity! And in response, I wrote that I could just tell him to go away.
That's the first thing.
But if a referee does the same, it will be what the army calls "failure to meet job requirements." With corresponding consequences for their career.
That is, players can express their emotions, let off steam; it's part of their role, but referees and organizers must behave and speak as calmly and impartially as possible, no matter what happens. Yes, it can be difficult to do sometimes. But you have to try.
And secondly, Vik, you are a referee, but not an organizer of this tournament. And you cannot decide who will be a participant a priori.
Stinger and Preds did not pass the qualifying round in Moscow. That is, the Michurinsk team is weaker.
Preds took 2nd place in Michurinsk,
Stinger took 3rd place.
In Moscow, Preds took 6th place!
And Stinger took 4th place.
Therefore, if Preds is 6th in Moscow and 2nd in Michurinsk, Vitalik is definitely stronger than Mizrael and Skorp.
You like to calculate Berger's coefficients... please calculate them.
Let's take an analogy from other sports that use group tournaments – is there ever a regulation where 5 people can qualify from one group, and 3 from another?
I don't know of any such regulations. Usually, if it is planned that a different number of participants will qualify, the number of quotas from the group differs by a maximum of 1. That is, a higher position in one group gives an automatic advantage over a lower position in another group, even if that other group turned out to be stronger.
And only if the positions are the same are there any possible variations.
Therefore, I believe that Mizrael, who took 4th place in Michurinsk, has a preferential right to participate in the final compared to Vitalik, who took 5th place in Moscow.
If you disagree, you can turn to Nagan to have him judge this situation. I think he will support my version.
And if you don't like the organization, I will relieve myself of the responsibility for all of you coming to Kyiv.
So, decide right away, are you taking on this burden or not. I know from experience that this is a difficult task, requiring considerable patience, balance, and the ability to compromise. Especially in this tournament, where the team is very diverse, with many hidden conflicts and grievances. But the more respect there will be in the event of a successful implementation.
If you don't take it on, then say so right away so that they have time to prepare in Michurinsk.
Volodymyr
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Stinger and Preds didn't make it through the qualifiers in Moscow, meaning the Michurinsk team is weaker.
Preds took 2nd place in Michurinsk,
Stinger took 3rd place.
In Moscow, Preds took 6th place!
And Stinger took 4th place.
Therefore, if Preds is 6th in Moscow and 2nd in Michurinsk, Vitalik is definitely stronger than Mizrael and Skorp.
+1 to Vika, regarding the distribution of places in the final.
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Regarding the Warlord Tournament: I will fix the bug with starting Heroes not being level 1 in the Kyiv qualifier, as this happens too often on XL+U difficulty.
I think it will also save time.
I think it will also save time.
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And secondly, Vic, you are a judge, but not the organizer of this tournament. You cannot decide who will be a participant a priori.
Stinger and Preds did not make it through the qualifiers in Moscow. This means that the Michurinsk team is weaker.
Preds took 2nd place in Michurinsk,
Stinger took 3rd place.
In Moscow, Preds took 6th place!
And Stinger took 4th place.
Therefore, if Preds is 6th in Moscow and 2nd in Michurinsk, Vitalik is definitely stronger than Mizrael and Scorp.
You like to calculate Berger coefficients... please calculate them.
And if you don't like the organization, I will relieve you of the responsibility for all of you coming to Kyiv.
You keep repeating the same thing... firstly, in Michurinsk, I didn't make it to the first round, and secondly, in Moscow, I took 4th place according to the Berger system; I don't even know how I ended up paired with someone with only 1 point in the last round... but that's not the main point.
You are engaging in activities that I don't understand. Apart from the confusion, I haven't seen anything constructive from you in this matter. I and Preds, and many others, voted for Kyiv, but not because of your brilliant organizational skills, which were advertised after the Kyiv qualifiers, no. I am sure that Eric would be much better at this, and I feel very bad towards him that I voted for Kyiv. BUT the reason for this is your city; we wanted to come there.
Understand, you are discrediting yourself as an organizer with your actions. Fine, I, a person you don't know, think so, but now people who passed the qualifiers in Kyiv are thinking about not going to the finals. Initially, I signed up for this tournament only because I know how important it was for Eric. BUT now you are destroying the whole idea.
I don't need to prove anything to people who draw conclusions based on a single game. I know my own strength.
Captain
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You keep repeating the same thing... First, I didn't make it to the first round in Michurinsk, and second, I placed 4th in Moscow in the Berger competition. I don't even know how I ended up in the last round with only 1 point... but that's not the main point.
You're engaging in some kind of activity that I don't understand, and so far, all I've seen from you in this thread is confusion. Both I and Preds, and many others, voted for Kyiv, but not because of your brilliant organizational skills, which were hyped after the Kyiv selection. No, I'm sure Eric would be much better at this, and I feel bad for him that I voted for Kyiv. BUT the reason for this is your city; we wanted to come there.
Understand that you are discrediting yourself as an organizer with your actions. Fine, I, a stranger to you, already think this way, but even people who made it through the selection in Kyiv are now thinking about not coming to the finals. Initially, I signed up for this tournament only because I knew how important it was for Eric. BUT you are destroying the whole idea.
I don't need to prove anything to people who draw conclusions based on a single game. I know my own strength.
The confusion arose because you and Preds were playing both sides :)
And also, your "I don't know how I ended up in Moscow against someone with 1 point" ;)
Regarding the versions, we seem to have decided - all versions will be installed, and people will decide in the club which one to play.
I even think that Forrest will be able to convince everyone to play on wt )
Regarding the finalists, I would suggest making it simpler - let 20 people vote on who to give a spot to - Vitalik, Mizrael, Vova, or Skorp.
But before voting, I want to ask, will Mizrael be able to come to Kyiv? Maybe our effort isn't worth it.
This is regarding Keba's spot.
Another question about Eddie - he will give an answer about whether he can come at the end of March.
I made a poll in ICQ of our "conflicting" finalists:
Vitalik and Vova - can come, Skorp - no, Mizrael - is still complaining )
I also had a suggestion to give a spot to everyone - Vitalik, Vova, Mizrael, Skorp...
I called the club - they are waiting for us there, and they are even surprised that I haven't visited in so long )
In the central room, there are 20 computers facing each other, and 8 on each side - a total of 36 computers. Photos of what it looks like are here: http://heroesportal.net/events.php?id=52
Plus, there are two more rooms - one for smokers, which is always filled with smoke.
All computers have internet access.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
MerlinTheMagician
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In all this squabbling of yours, my friends, I see nothing but attempts at self-affirmation. And everyone who, in one way or another, allowed this topic to devolve into personal attacks (even if in response) is equally guilty.
As for the version – WT is the optimal option (even with SoD settings). In fact, I would gladly play without creature experience, taxes, a bank, or classes... I used to complain about these very points (Mee can vouch for me).
But – it's still great to play without useless obelisks and with scrolls being replaced by gold (because sometimes you'd take a 1-1-2 scroll with "fly").
To those who support the idea of "If you're unlucky, too bad; if you're lucky, good job,"
I suggest playing poker to determine the winner. It's faster – no need to spend more than 6 hours.
Being good isn't about luck; it's about having skills.
As for the version – WT is the optimal option (even with SoD settings). In fact, I would gladly play without creature experience, taxes, a bank, or classes... I used to complain about these very points (Mee can vouch for me).
But – it's still great to play without useless obelisks and with scrolls being replaced by gold (because sometimes you'd take a 1-1-2 scroll with "fly").
To those who support the idea of "If you're unlucky, too bad; if you're lucky, good job,"
I suggest playing poker to determine the winner. It's faster – no need to spend more than 6 hours.
Being good isn't about luck; it's about having skills.
PReDS
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Artem, let's really stop arguing here :)
The confusion arose because you and Preds were trying to play both sides :)
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The possibility of participating in several qualifying tournaments was agreed upon even before the first one was held.
Regarding the comparison of the strength of the tournaments: Vova, who performed very poorly in the Michurinsk tournament, won against his future winner, Leha, in a practice game while people were finishing the first round, and in the Moscow tournament, he could have competed for a prize-winning place if not for the organizational blunders, so this is a thankless task. If everything had been clear from the beginning, then we wouldn't have had to bother with organizing the final.
Wicc
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Regarding the finalists, I would suggest making it simpler.
I can give a similar answer regarding the Moscow and Michurinsk qualifiers. Therefore, I suggest we close this topic.
The list of players has been announced; we are waiting for a response from Eddie, Pete, and Mizrael. If anyone declines, we pass the quotas down the list.
Captain
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I remember when I suggested something regarding the Ukrainian qualifier, I received a response like, "we already held it, and we decide who goes, don't interfere." That ended the conversation.
I can give a similar answer regarding the Moscow and Michurinsk qualifiers. Therefore, I suggest we close this topic.
The list of players has been announced; we are waiting for a response from Eddie, Pete, and Mizrael. If anyone declines, we pass the quotas down the list.
I have expressed my opinion, and I will not back down from it.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
Wicc
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I repeat once again – you, Vic, don't make the decisions here, especially not on your own.
You can stick to your opinion, but its legal weight is close to zero when it comes to any qualifier except the Ukrainian one.