The 4th annual offline tournament, "Best of the best". — Tournament history (offline)

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RAPER

2/19/2010 7:35 PM UTC

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Ergon

But what is the possible minimum number of days to complete the map?

Dirty_Player

It depends on how many days it takes for a high-level logistics specialist with a stable and wearing boots and gloves to reach the final battle. I can't even give an approximate number of days.

;) :p
But in general... Give me a Lich, a Vampire, and a Ghost)):D

играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

SergeyY

2/22/2010 12:14 PM UTC

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But what is the absolute minimum time possible to complete the map?

If I manage to break through the anti-magic garrison in the beginning of the 2nd week on day 121, I think I can complete it in about 16 days... Otherwise, it will take at least 20 days. I don't have time right now, but when I do, I think I'll adjust my plan - I'll attack the necromancer one day later, i.e., not on day 116, but on day 117, but I'll save on buying heroes (i.e., buy fewer of them) and buy more creatures. Then, starting from day 121, with all the Necropolis creatures, I'll rush to break through the anti-magic garrison. If 7 stacks of units are not enough, I will try to attack with another hero first, weaken the anti-magic garrison as much as possible, and then attack with the main hero and the necromancer troops. The situation is complicated by the fact that before the battle in the garrison, you need to defeat 90 efreets, and you can't save between battles, which means you need to defeat the efreets with a non-main hero. It's just unclear why, when you attack a garrison, the battle first takes place not inside it, but with the efreets that are standing BEHIND the garrison, i.e., further away.

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Дубровин Павел

2/23/2010 12:15 AM UTC

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It’s great that new Heroes players are emerging! SergeyY, you did a great job, performed well, and made a statement. It’s okay that you didn’t win; there will be more opportunities. I’m sure no one is trying to offend or belittle you; it’s just that big words and high expectations come with scrutiny. Yes, it can be difficult to control emotions, but “humility” has always been, is, and will be valued. Live in harmony.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

SergeyY

2/23/2010 12:29 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

Besides modesty, there should also be a respectful attitude towards the tournament participants. No one forces you to respect, but to treat someone with respect is a different matter. I participated in the tournament and wanted to discuss the map, what elements are good and what are not, etc. Perhaps some map creator will read this and take it into account when creating their own map. But Tolikandro decided that I was discussing the map in order to justify why I played worse than him. And he starts using all sorts of phrases about me, like "a bad dancer," and that my result is "zero." But essentially, these are offensive statements not only towards me but also towards other tournament participants who had even worse results! I, at least, got 2nd place. How can one characterize such words from this person? It's just rudeness and boorish behavior. Tolikandro, are you so worried about how we played that you need to point out that our result is zero? Well, you took 1st place, so buy yourself a medal and be proud of it until retirement! And we will play as we want, and it's none of your business! Furthermore, if you want to criticize someone's game (for example, mine), you can do it in a normal tone, without using phrases like "I have no words..."

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Dirty_Player

2/23/2010 12:38 PM UTC

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SergeyY

If you manage to break through the antimagic garrison at the beginning of the 2nd week on map 121, then...

Surely it's possible? It seems to me that he should be able to break through somehow... I haven't played the map, of course... and I don't feel like testing it. But it's still interesting. What troops can be obtained on map 121, what is the hero's level, and what are his stats? What do we have, so to speak.

SergeyY

2/23/2010 12:48 PM UTC

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Isn't it possible? It seems to me that he should somehow manage... I haven't played the map, of course... and I don't even want to test it. But it's still interesting. What troops can you get on day 121, with the hero's level and stats? What do we have, so to speak?

I think that even if it's possible, it will be incredibly difficult. Most likely, you'll have to develop just two heroes: one with castle troops to first defeat 90 Efreet, since you can't save between battles, and take out as many as possible in the garrison – for example, part of the 120 Pit Lords, and then attack with the main hero with 7 Bone Dragons and all the Necropolis reinforcements. The hero's stats, taking into account all the artifacts, will be approximately – attack-defense 15.5, and for the main hero 22.12, troops – 17 from the starting horses, plus what can be bought in the castle in the 1st week, and plus in the built Necropolis on day 121, and dragons in 2 dwellings. In any case, the losses will be great, and after breaking through into the Inferno lands, the heroes will level up quickly.

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Dirty_Player

2/23/2010 4:10 PM UTC

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I was just thinking. What if we level up Tazar with expert slow and other skills to kill the efreets? And then try to break through the garrison with him. I think that if all battles with magic are won without losses, and Tazar can withstand one battle without magic due to his specialization. Losses don't really matter. The main thing is to break through. We should somehow manage to advance further with magic. IMHO.

SergeyY

2/23/2010 5:00 PM UTC

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I was talking about two heroes because the troops that can be purchased come from two types of castles – a Castle and a captured Necropolis, meaning that 7 stacks from one hero won’t be enough. As for the losses incurred when breaking through the antimagic garrison, they are not important, because further in the Inferno lands, you can buy fast devils from dwellings and, with expert-level Slow, defeat large armies by taking advantage of the fact that the devils don’t receive counterattacks.

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Dirty_Player

2/23/2010 5:11 PM UTC

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SergeyY

I was talking about two heroes because the troops that can be purchased come from two types of castles – a Castle and a captured Necropolis, meaning 7 stacks from one hero won't be enough.

Okay, let's assume that's the case. First, we attack with Tazar, then we finish off with Katerina. I think it's quite possible. It depends on how much you level up Tazar...

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Dirty_Player

2/23/2010 5:11 PM UTC

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SergeyY

I was talking about two heroes because the troops that can be purchased come from two types of castles – a Castle and a captured Necropolis, meaning 7 stacks from one hero won't be enough.

Okay, let's assume that's the case. First, we attack with Tazar, then we finish off with Katerina. I think it's quite possible. It depends on how much you level up Tazar...

SergeyY

2/23/2010 5:58 PM UTC

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Yes, the idea about playing as Tazar is good. It would be nice to break through to Inferno on day 121... and it would be good practice for the next offline tournament. By the way, when will the next one start?

Tolikandro

2/23/2010 9:48 PM UTC

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The problem is that there's essentially nothing to use to level up Tazar to level 121... And there aren't many troops either... and the skeleton warriors are weak, in my opinion... My main strategy was to rely on archers from the beginning, so I protected them like the apple of my eye... I also recruited almost all the Swamp creatures for cannon fodder... Capturing the Necropolis early on seems more like a goal in itself, in my opinion...

Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
А так играют Мастера! :smile13:

SergeyY

2/24/2010 12:06 PM UTC

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It's also a good idea to make snipers out of archers. I just didn't have enough money, so I'll play more economically now, maybe I'll have enough. In any case, capturing the 121th town and Necropolis and Inferno should happen. Otherwise, a lot of potential growth is lost. Even if, by some miracle, I manage to break through that antimagic garrison on the 121st day, it's still the 8th day, and the fact that I could reach it as early as the 4th day means that it still controls the game, although not for as long as it did in reality.

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Dirty_Player

2/24/2010 1:37 PM UTC

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What dragons are you talking about? Are you kidding me? :D From the troops, you need snipers and cavalry. From Necropolis, get as many upgraded vampires as possible, who, along with Tazar, can take out the entire garrison if you strategically position your troops. I don't know if it's possible to level up Tazar to the point where he can act as a tank... but I think it's a viable idea. I think if players of Dmitry AS's level were playing, the garrison would likely fall.

RAPER

2/24/2010 1:56 PM UTC

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Even if, by some miracle, you manage to break through that antimagic garrison on day 121, that's still day 8, and the fact that you can reach it is already possible on day 4.

And someone was laughing at the figurative 2 days suggested by Kashem... ;)