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Offline KycoK_3a6opa
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Please tell me how to defeat the Necropolis faction in a Castle map.
I'm playing on Medium or Large difficulty, and both of us focus on development, but in the final battle, my Necropolis faction (Galtran) loses to the Castle faction (Kreg Hack) on the walls of the Castle. Why is this happening? How can I defeat these Barbarians?
Even with an equal number of units (except for my 1000+ skeletons and his 200-300 ogres), he defeats me. He has a lot of attack and defense. How can I fight him? Please help, I can't win, I've played against the same person 20 times and I always lose.
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Offline Ta Kotoraya...
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:) I thought the question would be completely the opposite... Unbearable Galtran and so on...
Your main mistake, it seems, is that you don't know how to play Necropolis. Why? The main strength of Necropolis is skeletons. And your 1000+ should already be on week 3-4, at the very least... That is, the main advice is to learn how to use skeletons!!! Use them to take difficult objects (like Utopias), use them to increase your attack/defense, and use them to take Serpent Nests and Griffin Conservatories (free Wyverns and Angels in your army never hurt anyone! ;)

So - fight all neutrals, immediately build a Necromancy amplifier, develop 2-3 Necromancers in parallel, fight in different directions to gather as many skeletons as possible. Develop the Necromancy skill as quickly as possible to the expert level, and look for artifacts to enhance Necromancy. Skeletons, skeletons, free skeletons - that's the key to success for Necromancers!;) And use self-healing vampires correctly (that's a powerful ability!).
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Offline KycoK_3a6opa
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Well, thanks for the tactics; I'll practice, but it seems unrealistic to gather that many skeletons by week 3-4! =)
And still, it's not clear: are skeletons units of the first level, and what use can they be? They are affected by slowing spells + curses and are destroyed by various lightning spells and other things; they have no bonuses or special abilities, no protection from various skills, and in general, how can you defeat an enemy with a large number of skeletons? How do you besiege a castle?
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I'll let you in on a secret: on large maps, Galtran and his skeletons are as useful as Uncle Vasya. They're okay on templates, but let him loose in "free play," and he'll just keep getting beaten. Honestly, I'm quite (censored) by the online players' approach to templates. "We know how to take the minimum consulate + maximum hive on the first turn," and then we'll get bogged down. WELL DONE! This is the only and most important skill of heroes!
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medstrax
I'll let you in on a secret: on large maps, Galtran and his skeletons are just as effective as Uncle Vasya.
Thanks for revealing the secret ;)
Then reveal another one. "How to play online if not on templates?" :confused: I, for example, don't know. :confused:

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Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the online players' position on templates.
"We know how to take the minimum resource + maximum hive on the first map," and then we'll get bogged down.
WELL DONE! This is the only and main skill of Heroes!
It's the same as telling a footballer that he can only score penalties and free kicks... But you can do many interesting things with the ball. You can dribble it 500 times, or even 1000, or you can even break a window with it. That's where the skill lies :D

They're practicing what brings them victory!
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KycoK_3a6opa
Please tell me how to defeat a Stronghold with Necropolis.

I'm playing on Medium or Large difficulty, and both of us are focusing on development.

Is development building a town on the first week and a capitol on the second?

Build troops! No towns on the first week!!!

Build a Mage Guild and an Enhancer in the first few turns. If a hero like Shakti appears, it makes sense to build a Skeleton Converter and transform those units into skeletons.

Of course, don't give your main hero anything except logistics until you max out expert necromancy, not even earth or air magic.

And in the first week, you should be aiming for something like knights in the Stronghold/Fortress (chocolate) or liches in the Stronghold/Fortress.

Or just vampires in the castle.

Ideally, upgrade the vampires to level 121 (practically no losses in battles). Then you can use your second Necropolis hero to gather skeletons. If you're playing on Heroic difficulty, you should have a lot of skeletons. And even on Large, you can get a good number.

(Don't set the goal of building Bone Dragons, they're not needed).

Of course, if you find other Necropolis castles on the map, build an Enhancer in them right away.

Something like that :)
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Online players don't know shit about real games!!!
What skeletons??? What the hell Dragon Utopia??? You need to build capitols and spectral dragons, now that's power!!
That's where all the TRUE SKILL!!! is!

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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medstrax
To be honest, I was quite (censored) by the online players' approach to map templates.
"We know how to take the minimum resource + maximum hive on the first turn," and then we'll just grind.
WELL DONE! This is the only and main skill in Heroes!
I'll say it again: we just enjoy offline play and non-random maps, and there is no universal tactic for them. But there is variety, which is why I still play this wonderful game! In my opinion, there is nothing more boring than going through the **same map in the same way over and over again, and in general, playing a game where everything repeats. I definitely won't play "Diablo" a second time...
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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Offline Саня Изи
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That's strange. Why can't Galtran defeat Hrak Grack? Well, that's interesting news, but what about magic? And the vampires? I think you could wipe out all those barbarians with just vampires. Then look for the Necromancer's Cloak or the Cursed Armor. Why are there so few skeletons? In a real game on level L, there should be at least 5000 of them. Or take Tanta instead...
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Marmot
Let me say it again: we simply enjoy offline play and NON-random maps, and there is no universal tactic for them. Instead, there is diversity, which is why I still play this wonderful game! In my opinion, there is nothing more boring than completing the **same map in the same way over and over again, and in general, replaying a game where everything repeats. I, for one, will definitely not play "Diablo" a second time...


And why do you say that online players always play the same map... I disagree.

The only thing that repeats from game to game is the size of the map; everything else is generated anew each time (Objects, Hiding Places, Quests, their location, types of Castles, Artifacts, etc.), meaning the map does not repeat from game to game.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Dubrovin Pavel
The only thing that remains consistent from game to game is the map size; everything else is generated anew each time.
Unfortunately, the problem is that the tactics are the same from map to map in online play. And it doesn't matter where something spawns on the map. I've played a few random maps: it's not interesting. :( But it's interesting when a person creates a map, puts plot and idea into it.
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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Offline KycoK_3a6opa
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The problem is that Craig Hack has a huge amount of attack and defense, and his creatures quickly destroy skeletons. Also, how can you accumulate so many skeletons in a short time? The Stronghold is based on the strength of its army (attack + defense), so how do you fight against it?
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Invite your friend to the forum; I'm sure that every other player will offer to play a game where he uses the Stronghold against the Necropolis. And you can see the results for yourself.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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KycoK_3a6opa
The problem is that Craig Hack has a huge amount of attack and defense, and the skeletons are easily defeated by his creatures. Also, how can you accumulate so many skeletons in a short time? The Citadel is based on the strength of the army (attack + defense). How do you fight him?
The power is all around us. Craig Hack has a huge amount of defense? Let's try to figure out where it comes from. After playing several dozen games as Craig Hack, you will be convinced that there is no mega-defense. So, it's the artifacts. And the one who plays more actively has more artifacts. Draw your own conclusions.
Now about the attack. Yes, it's a serious thing. But attack only determines when someone attacks, right? And who is going to attack? If you forget about building Capitols (just forbid yourself from building them in the next 20 games), and instead buy troops and crush everything around, the situation will change. And by the way, there are two types of Necromancer heroes. Choose the ones with 1-2-2-1 stats at the start. Galthran is better, by the way.

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KycoK_3a6opa
The thing is, Craig Hack has a huge amount of attack and defense, and skeletons are easily defeated by his creatures. Also, how does one accumulate such a large number of skeletons in a short time? The Stronghold is based on the strength of its army (attack + defense), so how do you fight it?
As I understand it, this problem arises when Necromancers and Barbarians clash early on, when their primary skills are equal to the starting ones, and the army is correspondingly small. Then, of course, the Barbarians are more likely to win the battle. But, regardless of which town you are playing, it is important not to focus on just one tactic (skeletons, demons...), but to build up your strength depending on the specific situation. What dwellings, resources, and artifacts do you have, or are nearby? What should you take/build first? Spend your money on the army first, then on everything else. Don't rush into attacking neutrals if the losses in battle don't justify the experience gained or what they were guarding. And, of course, play more! Skill comes with experience!
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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