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Read carefully. Titans on the smka (SoD).
On the smka, titans at 122, even for the strongest player, might appear in the best case once every 20 games. And in football, they score goals from their own half of the field maybe once every 10 years; that's skill of course, but mostly luck :)
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Wlk777
Scare the newcomers with such feats :D. Because if you dig into any of your miracles — for example, you took a Griffin Conservatory on week 3 — it turns out there are a ton of Troglodytes with Bless, and I don't think there's anything unreal about the rest =).
Someone had a good phrase in their signature:
Any task seems easy after someone explains its solution to you!
So, in words, we are all masters. But when it comes to sitting down for an online game and actually doing something, why are reports nowhere to be seen? Is it a matter of luck? I don't think so...
And taking a save and trying to replicate a hundred times offline what someone did online — that means nothing. Online is a skill of "here and now", not of debating that nothing is difficult!
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Loading a save and trying to replicate what someone did online after a hundred attempts – that's pointless.

I agree. It's best to do something in offline mode that another player can't do, either online or offline.

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I play about one game a day.

Lucky you. You probably have a lot of free time.
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Wlk777
For me, overpowered setups with Titans on turn 122 aren't a sign of skill; if that happened in at least half the games, then I'd acknowledge some "exceptional skill."
The point is that someone managed to pull off this setup with Titans, while someone else wouldn't even notice it, considering it just a good setup. And it's important to understand that a good player will play a good setup "well," while a strong player will turn it into something amazing! Demanding that a strong player set up Titans in every game is foolish! The more a player can get out of their setup, the stronger they are.
I agree. The best thing is to do in offline mode what others can't do, neither online nor offline.
+1! Not many people are capable of that. But offline mode is a completely different game, and comparing them is incorrect.
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Someone had a good phrase in their signature:
Any task seems simple after you've been explained its solution!
So, we're all masters at explaining things. But when you sit down online and try to do something, why don't we see any reports of success? Is it a matter of luck? I don't think so...
And taking a save file and trying to repeat, for the hundredth time in offline mode, what someone did online – that's pointless. Online play is about skill "here and now", not about reasoning that nothing is difficult!

I completely agree with Kostyan. You need to reach that level (a "papal" level), so that you can skillfully use the situation to your advantage. And not take a "papal" save file and claim that you can do the same. It's a bit funny, to be honest.

P.S. IMHO, newcomers should behave more modestly on the forum; it doesn't lead to anything good.


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Wlk777
I have a slightly different opinion on this. Let's say in football, you can be a good striker and never score from your own half. Titans at 122 is like scoring from your own half – it requires skill, but it's mostly luck. IMHO.
Some people can score from the halfway line :cool:, while others can't even hit an empty net from close range. :smile53: And in football, the goal isn't to score from your own half. What's the point of this example? :confused: In football, it's more effective to penetrate the opponent's penalty area. You have a better chance of scoring from there. A kick across the entire field is a sign of low skill!
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It's better to score more goals from there. And kicking the ball across the entire field is a sign of low skill!
You don't seem to know much about football :) Low skill is when you don't score a goal. And, in my opinion, going to a dungeon with 16 grand creatures on the first level, as in the example given here, is like that kind of kick. And a "teapot" getting firewood is like a sleeping goalkeeper =). By the way, in my games, I've searched countless dungeons, but I don't remember seeing "teapots" guarded by walking guards.
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You don't know much about football :) Low skill is when you fail to score a goal. And for me, going into a treasure zone with 16 grands on the first [week], as was mentioned here in the example, is like a kick. And a "teapot" going for one piece of wood is like a sleeping goalkeeper =). By the way, I've searched countless treasure zones in my games, but I don't remember seeing any teapots behind walking guards :)
Going into a treasure zone with 16 grands is like a solo break toward the opponent's goal through all the defenders. There are football players who can dribble past the entire team on their own.

And the fact that you attribute everything to constant bad luck doesn't excuse you one bit. I remember our game together. How I found level 5 magic in Pandora—that was wild luck :smile41: . But finding a minotaur external dwelling with a portal—now that's skill. :D And do you remember how in that same game, using the minotaurs from the portal and the external dwelling, you took the Dragon Utopia on the third [week]? And what did they give there? A bag of gold and a captain's hat? Nooooo... What boots were lying in front of the Dragon Utopia? :D Want me to remind you? Of course, I was lucky in that game and miraculously survived :D
For some it's luck/bad luck, but for others it's just a normal gameplay moment.
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Going into a treasure zone with 16 grands is like a solo breakthrough to the opponent's goal through all the defenders. There are footballers who can dribble past the entire team alone.
No. Not quite. After passing all the defenders, there will inevitably be a goal. The fact that a target for 16 grands is found in a treasure zone is extremely rare luck, no matter how you look at it. By the way, judging by the story, there wasn't just a newbie there, since the stats for 20 were at 121.
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And the fact that you refer to constant bad luck doesn't justify you one bit. I remember our game. How I found level 5 magic in Pandora—that was wild luck :smile41: . But how finding a minotaur external dwelling with a portal is "skill" :D And remember how in that same game, using the minotaurs from the portal and the external dwelling, you took the Dragon Utopia on the third day? And what did they give there? A bag of gold and a captain's hat? Nooooo... And what boots were lying in front of the Dragon Utopia? :D Need me to remind you? Of course, I was the lucky one in that game and miraculously survived :D
Hehe lol :D And what else do you call it when by the middle of the third day I had resurrect and explosion almost at 2000, plenty of mana, and control, but didn't win the match? If that's not bad luck, then IDK what bad luck is :)
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Hehe, lol :D But how else to describe the situation when, by the middle of the third turn, I had Resurrect and an explosion spell dealing almost 2000 damage, plenty of mana, and control, yet I still didn't win the game? If that's not bad luck, then I don't know what bad luck is :)
The key point here is HOW you got all of that? :confused: Skill or luck? That's the question!
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The key point here is HOW you got all of this? :confused: Skill or luck? That's the question!
Of course, it was luck. I just had to avoid making too many mistakes. But in the end, bad luck won out. Although a draw against such an opponent might be considered luck for me, who knows?
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Of course, it's luck. I just shouldn't have been so aggressive. But in the end, bad luck won out. Although a draw against such an opponent might be considered luck for me, who knows.
No need to talk about the opponent; he's not playing very well. :smile15: I'm saying this because we often react more strongly to failures than to successes, taking the latter for granted. And that's normal because it's human nature. We're playing a game where luck favors one person and then another, and we need to accept that naturally.
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I'm saying this because we often react more strongly to failures than to successes, taking the latter for granted. And that's normal, as it's human nature. We play a game where luck favors one person, then another, and we need to accept that as a natural occurrence. :)
That's true. But, looking back over the past year and a half of my online games, about 70-80% of the victories I've achieved haven't brought me much good. I'm certain of this fact and consider it a failure. We'll keep looking, and eventually, luck will have to be on our side, not just in those 4 final matches of the best-of series (where the luck was unbelievably good) :)
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That's true. But, looking back at my online games over the past year and a half, about 70-80% of the games where I chose the "Utopia" faction didn't bring me any particular success. I'm confident in this fact and consider it a failure. We'll keep looking, and eventually, luck will be on our side, not just in those 4 games in the best-of-five final (the luck there was unbelievably high) :)
Sometimes, a series of unlucky games in a season is more than compensated for by luck, even in just one tournament game. ;)
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...we often react to failures more strongly than to successes, taking the latter for granted. And that's normal, as it's human nature. We play a game where luck favors one person, then another, and we need to accept that naturally.
Wise words... (c)
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