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16 years ago
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But what about Thailand, what about conferences by the pool?!
Where did the fighting spirit go?!
In my opinion, there's still a couple of months left. Yes, it's expensive, I agree. It's far away, that's true too. So let's think about what to do...
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16 years ago
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I would like everyone participating in the upcoming event to post in this thread:
1. Which templates they would like to play on.
2. Which version they prefer.
3. Based on the version, we will need clear rules.
4. Miscellaneous... :D

My answers:

1. Templates: 2sm4d3-1, 2sm4d3-2, 2sm4d3-3. Experience from Ekaterinburg shows that games on these templates usually don't drag on. The locations are evenly distributed across the map (template model). And hopeless situations are not common.
If a decision is made to have the judges preview the map beforehand (who, of course, cannot be participants in the Championship), then "hopeless" setups (where this is obvious "at a glance") should not be allowed to be played.
2. TE-Lite. (I would ask knowledgeable people to list the main differences from the classic SoD, because I have been playing only TE-Full with the Ekaterinburg rules for a long time).
3. If there is no judge's pre-screening of the map (and even if there is, they might miss something), then we primarily need grounds for an objective restart. I would also like to separately emphasize the "Red Rush" (that is, in Ekaterinburg, we have a rule prohibiting Red from using the last increase in units when attacking an opponent on the first day of the week).
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16 years ago
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I suggest we organize a grand heroes gathering in...

I propose Sochi, in June-July 2010. We can accomplish several things at once:

- Our wives won't refuse such a vacation, so we can bring them along;
- We can play in the evening after a great day;
- Excellent organization;
- Caucasian shashlik!
- A large group (on my side, there will be 5 people, + people living in the Krasnodar region may come, for example, Monza and Kamikaze:smile03:).

I can organize a cultural program.:cool:

P.S. A round-trip flight for two from Omsk, for example, costs 22,000 rubles.;)
P.S.S. I could even play to ensure we have enough players, and at the same time, try playing online:)

Sincerely, VDV_forever
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16 years ago
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1) 8mm6, Jebus Cross
2) TE Full version (possibly without experience and tax)
3) RP rules: 4 rules apply (excluding templates). However, there is a renomizer system that gives an advantage to versatile players, which the CIS champion should naturally be. (Cherk usually allows you to avoid castles that you are not good at playing)

4) Stop with the nonsense about suggesting random locations for the final. The vote has taken place, and Kyiv won. We should have officially voted for Thailand.
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16 years ago
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1) Sm-ka, Balance, Panic, Jebus Cross, Mini-nostalgia
2) SoD version! or as a last resort TE light
3) Rules ХВ or HP
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16 years ago
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Forrest
1) 8mm6, Jebus Cross
2) TE Full version (possibly without experience and tax)
3) RP rules, 4 things on the bay (except for templates). But there is a renomizer system, which gives an advantage to versatile players, and the champion should naturally be from the CIS. (Cherk usually allows you to avoid castles that you are not good at)

4) Stop the circus with suggestions of who knows what final locations. The vote has taken place, and Kyiv won. It was necessary to vote for Thailand officially))
I will be brief, I don't know who and how voted for Siberia, but after talking with everyone on ICQ (except for Valenok and Logistics), everyone gave their vote to Michurinsk, because Kyiv is good, but the possibilities will not allow anyone of us to go there. Mike said literally, the probability of my appearance is 1:1000, but the city is definitely Michurinsk, Dust wants to go, Dirty (50/50), I also wouldn't mind, so I think our 3 legitimate votes are still for Michurinsk. If I am wrong, let one of the participants in the selection correct me.
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16 years ago
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Yes, it was indeed short.)))
The voting has already taken place; where were you?
And immediately waving your hands, saying that you won't be able to come, is also not a solution!!!
Let's look for a compromise, a golden mean, an acceptable option for everyone...
I have the opportunity to travel anywhere in the CIS and help someone with tickets (more precisely, about 5-8 people), but I will know this only in April, closer to the event...
Let's stay calm and think about the actions leading up to the final. There is time, and no one will take it away. I will think and look for solutions...
And for now, there is no need to panic, with respect, SEM_56!!!
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16 years ago
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Forrest
4) Stop with the endless suggestions of random locations for the finals. The voting has taken place, and Kyiv won. We should have officially voted for Thailand.
Okay, let's be serious.
I have a suggestion for the organizers: create detailed budgets for the event. The more detailed, the better. How much will it cost to travel from different locations, how much will it cost to eat and sleep, and how much will it cost to play. Let's compare the options for Michurinsk, Kyiv, and Yekaterinburg and see which is more realistic.

And a democratic choice of location, which results in 6 out of 16 participants being roughly excluded due to financial constraints, is also a kind of circus.
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16 years ago
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re-discussing agreements is a common global practice;)

if going to Ukraine, it's better to choose a city with a sea: it makes it easier to handle issues with wives/girlfriends.

therefore, the best option based on this criterion is Egypt. And it's also cheaper.

PS, see, the pronunciation stumbles: *to Ukraine, to a city* – what can you do?
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16 years ago
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Avern
Okay, let's get serious.
I have a suggestion for the organizers: draw up detailed budgets for the event. The more detailed, the better. How much will it cost to travel from different locations, how much for food and accommodation, and how much for playing. Let's compare the options for Michurinsk, Kyiv, and Yekaterinburg and see what is more realistic.

And a democratic choice of venue, which results in 6 out of 16 participants being roughly excluded due to financial constraints, is also a kind of circus.
The most realistic option is Egypt, 20k per person for 10 days, starting from Novosibirsk; from Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's practically a bargain. :D

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Even the tough guys from Chelyabinsk are voting for Egypt :D :D :D :D :D
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16 years ago
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Van
so I think our 3 legitimate votes are for Michurinsk. If I'm wrong, one of the selection participants can correct me.

Your selector had one spot in the final. Which Mike got.
What three are you talking about?
All votes were counted except for Mike's. But if he's 99.9% not going, his vote doesn't matter, and Kyiv won by a landslide.
16 years ago
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Friends, I acknowledge the results of the vote in favor of Kyiv. But still, agree – losing at least 7 people is a big blow to the tournament (3 from Siberia, 3 from Yekaterinburg + Lyokha). After all, the tournament, although unofficial, is a fan event, and is intended to be universal and unifying. Therefore, I ask you to consider the meaning of the post. First, I will discard the dubious options. Egypt. Imagine arriving in Egypt… to play Heroes. And stubbornly spending the entire trip in a club. Can you picture it? 1st place in the "craziest person of the year" nomination. I'm not even going to mention that there might not be a computer club, that the club might have some peculiar admins, that they might not even install Heroes, even for money, and that, finally, a night in an Arab computer club might be even more specific than in an Arab den… Next. The Black Sea coast is great for a vacation. But such a tournament should only be held where the practice of holding tournaments has already been established, and this involves dozens of small details, without which the tournament will not take place. In addition, there will be a Moscow qualifier, from which several of the main contenders would like to come to Michurinsk. That is, from 7 to 10 legitimate finalists could play, but they won't. This is somehow wrong. Therefore, there is such a proposal. To hold two semi-finals – Kyiv and Michurinsk, since the players have distributed themselves according to their preferences approximately equally. Advantages: 1. All legitimate winners of the qualifiers will play! 21 best players from the CIS countries. Let our tournament be a fan event, the status of champion is important only for our Heroes community – but such a tournament will give us a lot. Therefore, so that there are no grievances and disputes – let everyone who deserves it play. 2. The tournament is streamlined. Even with 5 rounds and a large number of players (20 or more), a player who loses one match loses all chances of ultimate success. It's just that a dead respawn has appeared, and the chances of becoming the best are lost. But in a tournament of 10-12 people, say, 5 rounds of a Swiss system, will allow you to lose one match without any problems and still reach the final. For example, with 12 people, it will be approximately like this. Round 1. 5 winners. Round 2. 3 winners, 4 players – one loss each. Round 3. Let's say, 2 winners, 4 people – one loss each. Round 4. Winner, three – one loss each. Round 5. Either two finalists are immediately determined (scoring 5 and 4 points, respectively), or three players share 1st place, scoring 4 wins each. Then the coefficients are counted, but this is just one of the options, most likely the two finalists will be determined. 3. Players get the opportunity to play where they want. Some want to wander around a big city, others – to play in a well-organized tournament. Everyone gets what they want, no one is offended. What do we get. Kyiv semi-final. 1. Aldegir. 2. Forrest 3. Volodimer. 4. AlextheGreat 5. RolandfromGilead 6. Kobra 7. Napalm 8. Stinger 9. PReDS 10. Bayazet Michurinsk semi-final. 1. Lexa. 2. Dust. 3. Mike. 4. Van. 5. Me. 6. Merlin. 7. Asm. 8. Term. 9. Moscow-1. 10. Moscow-2. 11. Moscow-3. Moscow is such players as Pit, Vitalik, Marcon, etc. I think that these are very well-known people in the Heroes world and the strongest players, no matter how they are treated. It may seem that the Kyiv qualifier is stronger. Perhaps, but not by much. Well, add Napalm to the Michurinsk qualifier and supplement Kyiv from those who took 4th place. After all, Term won't be bored traveling alone. Again, if a person cannot be in the top two in the semi-final in 5 rounds, how does he plan to become the best player in the Heroes community? So, we have determined the top two in each city, what's next? 1. If four players who live relatively "close" to each other (Kyiv, St. Petersburg, Moscow, etc.) make it to the final, they can hold a super final in any of the cities, Kyiv is a great option. Not necessarily right away, for example, in the summer or autumn. This final of four will become the same event for our Heroes community as the "Final Four in the Euroleague" for basketball players, or the volleyball "final four". 2. If one or two players from Yekaterinburg or Siberia make it to the final, it will be difficult for them to travel again. With the mutual consent of the finalists, they immediately go to Kyiv to play the final, on the fastest train. Yes, the trip will last a couple of days, but they will receive prize money from the semi-final, which is still a lot, and the fame of a finalist in the largest, universal tournament is a good thing. I think the players will definitely take the risk. Don't rush to argue, read carefully, think – there is an option that suits all parties.
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16 years ago
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Don't change horses midstream. The selections were supposed to be for the final, but it turned out to be for the semi-final. Everything is getting a bit messy. And 4 people will have to travel somewhere twice. What if they are the ones who can't travel right now? All IMHO.
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16 years ago
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Nagan-4
After all, even if the tournament is unofficial and fan-made, it is intended to be universal and unifying.

I agree only with this statement. Everything that follows directly or indirectly contradicts it.
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16 years ago
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KobRa_RR
I agree only with this statement. Everything that follows directly or indirectly contradicts it.
+1

The whole idea falls apart.

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