Posts from Club championship of the CIS countries.

Two people are ready to travel to either city – Van and Napalm (Vik spoke about Napalm).

Four haven’t voted yet – Roland with Minskas, Mike with Siberia, as well as AlexGreat and Bayazet from St. Petersburg. We are waiting for their votes; the poll needs to be completed by the end of the week.

I have an idea – a proposal: if someone declines, another participant from the qualifying round is delegated, who can travel. The choice, I think, will be made jointly by all participants in the qualifying round, and this new delegate can also vote for the choice of city (I wanted to write castle :D), and I, if by the time the voting ends, I am at least 70-80% sure that I will go, I will vote for the city; I will not abstain.

Good day, dear comrades!
Ekaterinburg is on the line...
I have a couple of questions:
1. Considering that May is not so far away, I would like to clearly understand - which version will the championship be held on?
2. And how can I ознакомиться with the tournament regulations.

Sincerely, MERLIN.

1. The finalists will choose the version by voting. The first priority here is who can come and where.

2. I think the regulations will be the same as in the qualifying rounds - a Swiss system.

Questions are also being asked on forums. To avoid any confusion, I will write it down in a concise manner. 1. Tournament format. It cannot be an Olympic-style format, where the first loss eliminates you. People travel from the Urals or Siberia, spend a lot of money and time, and learn strategies – all just to get a bad starting hand in the first match and lose in the first week. At least this way, people will have a chance to play against top players and have something to remember. It cannot be a double-elimination format, where you have two losses. It would take too long. For example, 20 people arrive for the final. After the first round, there are 10 winners and 10 losers; after the second, 5 and 10; after the third round, let's say 3 and 7; after the fourth round, 2 winners and 4 losers. The tournament needs to end, but there is still a lot of gameplay left, and the winner will only be determined in the 7th or 8th round. Therefore, the only option is a Swiss-system tournament. Let's say, for 20 people. Round 1 – 10 leaders, Round 2 – 5 leaders, Round 3 – let's say 3 leaders, Round 4 – 2 leaders, Round 5 – the winner is determined. Therefore, 4 or 5 rounds are needed for an objective determination of the best player. 2. Tournament duration. At least 4 days are needed, even if there are only 4 rounds. This is because matches can be very intense, the start of the rounds will still be delayed due to latecomers, and there should also be entertainment for the players. Therefore, participants need to think about how to plan their participation. They will probably need to take a week off or ask for a couple of extra days off from work in addition to the holidays. But those who want to can always achieve what they want. There is still time to sort out personal and work matters. 3. Location. We will announce it soon. Before people start planning their trip, participants should know all the details and plan their participation accordingly. It is essential to finish the voting as soon as possible. 4. Participants. An ideal lineup consisting only of the winners of the qualifying tournaments is unlikely. Let's be realistic, real-life commitments may prevent some players from participating. There is no information from Roland, Mike, Bayazet yet, and nothing from AlexGreat. They say that Stinger has some problems. Also, not everyone can travel equally easily to Michurinsk or Kyiv (for example, Aldegyr, Leha, etc.). I already provided calculations above that 20 people is the maximum number that can play 4 or 5 rounds of a Swiss-system tournament. If there are more people, more rounds are needed. And out of these 20 people, some may not be able to attend, which can cause misunderstandings. For example, instead of 20 players, only 13 will attend the final. Those who cannot play should be replaced by players who finished 4th and 5th in the qualifying tournaments. Here is an example. Stinger (knock on wood) and Lyokha will not be able to play. Both qualified from the Michurinsk qualifying tournament, and 4th and 5th places there were taken by Mizrael and Skorp, so we need to immediately ask them to play, so they can assess their chances and have time to prepare. The same applies to Kyiv, Kingisepp, and St. Petersburg. But it is also not a good idea to invite, say, 7th or 8th place, as this is an elite tournament. Regarding Yekaterinburg and Siberia, the situation is more complicated. It is very far and expensive, so only those who can from the qualifying tournament will be able to participate. 5. Game version. TE-Lite is still the best compromise. The tournament was conceived as a unifying event for players of different versions. And in general, it can show SOD players that TE may not be as bad as they think and that it is worth a look. And TE players will have a chance to show the version for game lovers so that they can evaluate it.

Yekaterinburg is voting for Michurinsk. Kyiv is, of course, great, but more for relaxation and fun than for hosting a championship. Our arguments in favor of Michurinsk: 1) It seems that Nagan will organize everything better; he has a lot of experience in this matter, and it seems that everything is already well-prepared. 2) The journey is relatively cheap and fast – from 1500 rubles by plane to Moscow (http://www.vladivostokavia.ru) + from Moscow by train, or if someone from Moscow can pick us up by car.... On the 30th, we will have a "Heroes" and poker gathering to decide who can go and so on.

From here, only a Swiss-system tournament is suitable. Let's say, for 20 people.
Round 1 – 10 leaders, Round 2 – 5 leaders, Round 3 – let's say 3 leaders, Round 4 – 2 leaders, Round 5 – the winner is determined.

What is the difference from an Olympic-style tournament, if to win the tournament, you need to win all matches?

A Swiss-system tournament should have at least +1 round compared to the number of rounds in an Olympic-style tournament, so that even with one loss, you can still compete for the championship.

Next, there's the problem of game duration. I've already described how it was solved in St. Petersburg; something similar needs to be done here.

It might even be possible to strengthen the scheme. That is, the starting saves are generated by the judge (for this, the draw and the pairing for the first round must be done in advance) in the amount of 5 pieces for each pair of players - for the maximum possible number of restarts. At the same time, the generated saves are checked for restarts due to the match, impassable blocks, sunken spawns, and other bugs. Otherwise, whatever is generated is generated, and the balance of the generations is not tracked.

This will also avoid bugs due to incorrect Light settings - all saves will be configured according to one standard.

At the start of the 1st round, all 5 saves are uploaded to the host's computer, and he loads them as restarts are taken. This will be faster than calling the organizer.

That is, if the round starts at 10:00, then it starts at this time, without any preliminary setup. If a player is late, subtract the delay time from the number of restarts.

Restarts - 111+112, practice has shown that this is usually enough.

If the game drags on, it goes to adjudication. Adjudication options - either assign a result or offer to replay later (if it is impossible to adjudicate), when free time appears. But it is necessary to monitor the tactical consequences in replays.

I think it is better to adjudicate as follows - give the final save to several experienced players, each independently analyzes and gives an assessment of the probability of winning one or the other side. For example, 70%-30% is a normal answer. Then, discard the best and worst assessment, and average the remaining ones. If the final figure falls within the range of 33%-66%, then it's a draw. And if it's more or less, then the corresponding player wins.

As soon as the round ends, the next round is immediately drawn, the pairings are made, and during the break between rounds, the organizer and assistants generate and check the setups. It is even possible to generate spare setups for the most common pairs of factions, and if something unusual is drawn, generate and check it on the fly.

The optimal speed is 3 rounds in 2 days. That is, if you plan a tournament in 4 days, you can play 6 rounds, which is just right for a Swiss-system tournament with 32 people.

There is no information from Roland.

I asked him on ICQ.

Dima (16:19:01 19/01/2010)
Hey, Tolyan

Dima (16:19:22 19/01/2010)
Yeah, I'm in Kyiv

Dima (16:20:14 19/01/2010)
Kyiv is definitely better than Michurinsk; there's at least something to see there, especially in May.

as well as AlexGreat and Bayazet from St. Petersburg.

Just spoke to both of them on the phone. Alex is clearly in favor of Kyiv, and Bayazet also prefers Kyiv. So, it's up to Kyiv now :))

No information from AlexGreat.

I called and asked him, he's in Kyiv :smile03:

Added 3 minutes later
I think the best solution is for respected Eric to come and organize a tournament in Kyiv himself! (the tournament itself will be about Heroes). IMHO

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Michurinsk (6) - Leha, Term, Dust, and three players from Yekaterinburg. Kyiv (10) - Aldegir, Forrest, Volodimer, Preds, Stinger, Cobra, Roland, AlexGreat, Bayazet, and Mike from St. Petersburg. Two players are willing to travel to either city - Van and Napalm. Mike from Siberia did not vote. Now, we need to determine who can travel to Michurinsk and who cannot travel to Kyiv. A request to the esteemed heroes - Leha, Term, Dust, and the three players from Yekaterinburg - please indicate whether they can travel to Kyiv, and if someone cannot, who will replace them. Welcome to Kyiv!

Michurinsk (6) - Leha, Term, Dust, and three players from Yekaterinburg.
Kyiv (10) - Aldegyr, Forrest, Volodimer, Preds, Stinger, Cobra, Roland, AlexGreat, Bayazet, and Mike from St. Petersburg.

Two players are willing to travel to either city: Van and Napalm.

A small clarification. According to Vik, Mike from St. Petersburg took 4th place in his qualifying tournament, and only the winners voted.

Therefore, the final result of the finalists' vote is 9-6 in favor of Kyiv! :smile49:

Well, that's a shame. Oh, guys from St. Petersburg, you really let me down; I could have made such a great final. That's all about my disappointment. :smile06: :)

I'm very happy for my friends from Kyiv; I have no doubt that they will hold a great tournament! I'm glad for Sam, he will see all the legendary players; I'm glad for Aldegyr that he will be able to participate; I'm glad for Captain that he will channel his energetic spirit into something good for the Heroes community.

2 Forrest.

I think the best solution would be for the respected Eric to come and organize the tournament in Kyiv personally! (the tournament itself). IMHO

For the tournament to be successful, you need one good central organization.
Sam, Captain, and Gorbik organized the qualifying tournament in Kyiv at a good level. Understanding the much higher level of the final, and learning from the mistakes, they will organize the tournament properly. They have many of their own ideas.
And I will also get involved with my plans. Unfortunately, I'm used to solving all issues myself; even with all the good intentions, conflicts and misunderstandings will arise between the organizers, which could be problematic.
And also, being in a completely foreign city, country, not knowing the local Heroes scene, the club, the players' places of residence, I will be an ineffective organizer, only causing confusion.

Therefore, I believe that I have done my job. I pushed the idea of a universal championship; I hope I somehow helped the organizers in different cities to hold qualifying tournaments with advice. I worked on the preliminary stage, conducted a survey. It seems I did a good job, and with a clear conscience, I pass the organization on to Captain and Sam.
Guys, you will succeed; just keep a cool head. I will try to interfere as little as possible so as not to interfere and disrupt constructive conversations with the players.
All questions about the final are now in your hands.

P.S., I thank Term from St. Petersburg, the players from Yekaterinburg, my good friend Leha, and also my old comrade from the Heroes League, Sibirian Dust, for their support during the vote. I also ask you to support Kyiv and definitely play there; I have no doubt that everything will go at a high level.

Also, please don't look for a black cat in a dark room; it's not there.
I had no disagreements with Sam and Captain; the vote was held in a fair fight, and gentlemanly behavior was expected.

Also, please don't look for a black cat in a dark room; it's not there.

Wise words. I advise esteemed Eric not to forget this himself. To be honest, I'm still upset about the completely undeserved accusation in the thread about the interportal....

I am very happy for my friends from Kyiv; I have no doubt that they will hold a worthy tournament! I am happy for Sam that he will see all the legendary players, I am happy for Aldegir that he will be able to participate, and I am happy for Captain that he will direct his fervent energy towards a good cause for the Heroes community.

I will try to be ready by May and not mess things up. Yesterday, in a fit of selfishness and foolishness, I voted for myself and even insulted a bunch of guys. I apologize for that; I am young and very hot-headed)))
Regarding the final itself, I propose 3 points:
1. If VAM RAD comes, let him have the right to conduct the draw and 4-5 rounds, as he sees fit)).
2. I will take on the organization and accommodation of the guys. I hope for the help of Sanya (Captain), as well as the help of the Heroes community from Kyiv, who can accommodate some of the guys...
3. We will discuss the sponsor later. The champion's cup is already in development; I will finish the sketch)))
I am waiting for suggestions from VAM RAD, because this is a serious matter, and we are a green team. We need advice from the elders)):)

Now we need to decide who can go to Michurinsk and who can't go to Kyiv. I ask our respected heroes – Leha, Term, Dust, and the three from Yekaterinburg – to say whether they can come to Kyiv, and if someone can't, who will replace them.

Welcome to Kyiv!

I can't say for sure yet. I would really like to visit Kyiv; it's a beautiful and interesting city – that's a fact. But the club tournament, the constant games in a club-home-eat-sleep routine, don't exactly allow for enjoying the city's sights. I would like to go to Kyiv with my wife, but she would just be a burden at the tournament :smile08:. And there's nowhere to put the child, and it's not a good idea to take him along. In general, it's difficult for me to say anything right now. Michurinsk was a simpler option for me. My wife wouldn't go there, and she wouldn't whine – "take me, take me" ;-) and, in the worst case, I could take time off and even go by train, as an economical option. But Kyiv – that's a full-fledged vacation for two, with the corresponding financial investment, which wasn't planned for until today.

P.S. It's a pity about Eric; the way they voted was unfair. He was the initiator, it was his idea, he had ideas and opportunities for organizing this championship; maybe it was even his dream in some way...
P.P.S. Good luck to Kyiv in completing this great idea!

I would like to go to Kyiv with my wife, but she would be a hindrance to me at the tournament :smile08:. Besides, there's nowhere to leave the child, and it wouldn't be ideal to take him along. Overall, it's difficult for me to say anything right now. Michurinsk was a simpler option for me. My wife wouldn't go there, and she wouldn't whine – "take me, take me" ;-) and, in the worst case, I could take a vacation and even go by train, as an economical option. But Kyiv requires a full-fledged vacation for two, with the corresponding financial investment, which wasn't planned for until today.

Buy your wife and child a 2-3 day tour to Yalta with excursions (it's only a night + 5 hours by train and 1.5 hours by minibus from Kyiv to Yalta), and you can play to your heart's content!