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Offline AYMAN
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As far as I remember from playing in HOT — when you kill an opponent's scout hero with the Grail, the treasure does not transfer to you, but disappears. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to listen; maybe I'm mistaken about something?


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There are no intrigues with the grail at all. I would allow placing it from 211. Let whoever wants to dig for it. When you get great artifacts in the Dragon Utopia, like that helmet +6 spell power or wings, etc., that's normal. Or if you pick up a horde of genies from the ground, that's normal, but there is absolutely NO strategy with the grail. One could say, "Yes, I killed the guards, it wasn't for free." And to dig it up, you also have to spend time! Although I remember when I played only against the computer, it seemed like the AI dug up the grail well too (I'm no longer sure about this) due to a long lack of practice in these skills.

As for cheaters digging it up—so everyone you play with cheats? Well, just don't play with that person if you aren't sure, and that's it. Cheaters exist and will always exist, and their actions are not limited to a single grail.
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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AYMAN
As far as I remember from games in HotA, when you kill an opponent's scout hero with the Grail, the treasure does not transfer to you, but disappears. If I'm wrong, I'd be glad to hear it; maybe I'm mistaken about something?

If you lose any battle with a hero carrying the Grail, it disappears.
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Награда Лучшему игроку сезона Осень 2009 за Оплот
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Offline AYMAN
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Thanks, Tol, for the explanation:smile54:


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Offline SEM_56
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Also, the Grail is lost if you want to destroy the hero within the Castle! In the tavern, the hero will appear without the Grail!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Pavel Dubrovin
Misha (Scorp) previously wrote that he could dig up the Grail at 114.

The Grail provides a specific bonus, and one player can take advantage of this bonus (for example, by randomly visiting an Obelisk that reveals the coveted Cross), while another player will not have that opportunity.

The image always reveals at the edges; in reality, it's not that hard to find the spot from a few visited obelisks if you have almost the entire map revealed, and with a Cartographer, even a couple of obelisks are enough and you'll know where to dig — you just need to look closely (there's a lot of information in that image).

Against placing the Grail before a certain time, but otherwise you can dig up all the respawns for all I care )))
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Offline ~no1_knows_me~
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I always thought the rules said the Grail can be dug up only after visiting ALL the obelisks - but that's just unreal!!! :)

So after 5 weeks of gameplay, such powerhouses gather where in FB the majority of artifacts and spells are decided, plus the quantity and quality of Dragon Fly Hives/cons :) the Grail is only there for the buyout money )))))))))
"Пришел, увидел, победил" - Юлий Цезарь.
"Пришел, скастовал, убежал" - Hit'n'Run.

- Почему женщины любят кентавров?
- И мужик в доме, и скотина в хозяйстве.

Штирлиц шел по коридору. Вдруг одна из дверей открылась, оттуда выскочил Борман, дал Штирлицу сильного пендаля и заскочил обратно. «Гарпия» - догадался Штирлиц.
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I was playing a hotseat game against a friend. In the second month, he almost wiped out my army. But then, in the third month, I found the Grail. I spent a month in the castle, stocked up, and in the fourth month, I defeated him. Conclusion: the Grail is overpowered; it should be banned.
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StickyFingaz
Once, I played a hotseat game against a friend.
In the second month, he almost wiped out my army.
But then, in the third month, I found the Grail.
I spent a month in the castle,
stocked up, and in the fourth month, I defeated him.
Conclusion: the Grail is overpowered; it should be banned.
Maybe your friend just needs to improve his skills?
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StickyFingaz
Once, I played a hotseat game against a friend.
In the second month, he almost wiped out my army.
But then, in the third month, I found the Grail.
I spent a month in the castle,
stocked up, and in the fourth month, I defeated him.
Conclusion: the Grail is overpowered; it should be banned.
Once, I played against someone who had twice the stats and many more troops than me, and he dealt 2k explosion damage. Conclusion: explosion damage is overpowered; he should be banned.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Question regarding point 5.6 of the online game rules for HoMMIII: <5.6. Hit-and-run is prohibited: the attacking hero is not allowed to retreat in the first round of battle if they have used combat magic or any other magic that, in any way, has inflicted any damage on the opponent. This prohibition does not apply to the hero who is defending.> Player A attacked Player B, and in the first round, cast an explosion spell. Player B resisted it. Does Player A have the right to surrender in the first round after the resistance? If we interpret the rules literally, since no damage was inflicted on the opponent, does that mean they can? Please explain; I'm a bit confused. Thank you in advance. :)
Человек человеку - друг!
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Offline Дубровин Павел
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Erdem
Question regarding section 5.6 of the online game rules for HoMMIII:

5.6. Hit-and-run is prohibited: the attacking hero is not allowed to retreat in the first round of battle if they have used combat magic or any other magic that, in any way, has inflicted any damage to the opponent. This prohibition does not apply to the hero who is defending.

Player A attacked Player B, and in the first round, cast an explosion spell. Player B resisted it. Does Player A have the right to surrender in the first round after the resistance? If the rules are interpreted literally, since no damage was inflicted on the opponent, then they can? Please explain, I'm a bit confused. Thank you in advance. :)


With a literal interpretation of the rules, the phrase "in any way inflicted any damage to the opponent" allows us to assert that Player A has the right to surrender or pay to retreat in the first round, since their attempt to inflict damage was unsuccessful.
С истиной где-то рядом...





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Offline Alex_R
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Erdem
Please explain, I'm confused.
Logically, you can't retreat in this case.
You used magic, and the fact that it didn't deal damage due to the opponent's reflection is their special ability. And it fits perfectly into the concept of "any damage".
Formally, you can nitpick... although the phrase "used combat magic..., which in one way or another dealt any damage to the opponent" means you used combat magic, and it DID deal damage in SOME way (in this case, equal to "0").

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Is Mass Haste a hit-and-run?
Is Mass Prayer a hit-and-run?
Is Mass Blessing or Bloodlust a hit-and-run?
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Alex_R
she inflicted damage in a DIFFERENT way on EVERYONE (in this case, equal to "0").
But in my opinion, damage = 0 is not damage :)
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"if he used battle magic or any other magic that, in one way or another, inflicted any damage to the opponent"
Following the spirit and purpose of this rule, retreating should not be allowed; I agree with AlexR. You USED battle magic; resistance is an opponent's feature – why should you be penalized for that? For the future, a clearer and more unambiguous formulation would be: "
"...if he used magic (battle magic or any other), which can inflict any damage to the opponent" – and it would be even better to specifically list the exceptions in the explanations – the magic that, when used, allows retreating... IMHO.
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