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Ereb

12/28/2009 5:51 PM UTC

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Vaishon shouldn't be too difficult to defeat in Utopia once you have around 7-9 spell power -> then you separate the Lazutchi so they live longer... then you spread them out in the corners, and of course, use single Fury units or the same Lazutchi. The trick is that you need to manage to level up the Summoning skill and the Earth Lord)))

За кланы! За кровь!

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

12/28/2009 5:58 PM UTC

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Antonag07 claims that you can take a Utopia with 14 Marksmen and 40 Mana. The question is: how will he defeat the Dragons, which have 250 HP each by the second week? This is level 7, at most. He's just making things up. I'll check it out and have a laugh.

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

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antonag07

12/28/2009 6:04 PM UTC

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

Antonag07 claims that you can take a utopia with 14 agility and 40 mana. The question is: how will he kill dragons that have 250 HP by the second week? This is level 7, at most. He's just making things up. Well, I'll check, and I'll laugh.

I claim that it's no more than 14 (although I've taken them with six before)...

Of course, we kill dragons with magic...

Check it out and laugh :)

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

12/28/2009 6:10 PM UTC

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Maybe you even played with just one companion? I understand if there aren't many fighters available, but why is it invisibility for 3 turns? Your hero was probably around level 30, I wouldn't be surprised. But I'll definitely check this out in the second week. In my opinion, it's utter nonsense.

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

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antonag07

12/28/2009 6:27 PM UTC

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

Maybe you were playing with just one player? I understand if there aren't many fighters available, but why is the invisibility lasting for 3 turns? You probably had a hero around level 30, I wouldn't be surprised. But I'll definitely check this out in the second week. In my opinion, it's utter nonsense.

The Utopia was at its maximum (24 dragons in total), and the hero was much lower than level 30. ;)

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P.S. And to make it easier for you, on the "Lands of Outcasts" map (which you know well), there are several magic fountains, so taking Utopia in the second week is more than possible. :)

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

12/28/2009 6:33 PM UTC

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Heh, are you talking about fountains? That's already getting closer to the truth. And without fountains, it probably wouldn't be very good, right?

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

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antonag07

12/28/2009 6:34 PM UTC

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

Maybe you were playing with just one hero?

In principle, it's possible to win with just one:rolleyes: It's just that in this case, there's a risk of not having time to turn invisible, and then – goodbye to your weapon!

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

Heh, are you talking about the fountains? Is that what you mean? Is it really that hard without them?

I've won without visiting the fountains ;) ; the fountains are useful in the early stages – but later, you might learn to manage without them.

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

12/28/2009 6:52 PM UTC

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So, are you saying that on the second week, you'll have either Armageddon or Shock of Earth? And your spellcasting will be around 40?

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antonag07

I took it without visiting the fountains either; the fountains are only needed in the early stages - later, you might learn to manage without them.

Dude, you're probably just a genius strategist.

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Haha, I checked! Right at the end of the second week, 21 Lazutchegs, or Hunters, as you call them. I tried with Letos too, took the fountain, the whole thing - and what? Didn't kill a single drake. Antonag07, you're either a genius or you've had too much to drink. You can't take a Utopia on the second week, and you shouldn't rely on magic either. Well, you certainly made me laugh...

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

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antonag07

12/29/2009 5:34 PM UTC

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

You CAN'T take the Dragon Utopia on the second week, and you need magic. No, well, you've certainly made me laugh...

it is absolutely possible, and none of the things you listed

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

So you're trying to say that on the second week you'll have Armageddon or Earth Shock? And Spellpower around 40?

is present in the hero's arsenal due to the early stage of the game (start of the second week) ;)

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And regarding "Armageddon" - by the way, it will kill far more invisible traps than dragons - so I still don't understand what your calculations for this spell are? ;)

Ereb

12/29/2009 7:43 PM UTC

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Probably used traps and some other Chaos spell, and for that Chaos spell, he had an Ice Shard or Feathers.

За кланы! За кровь!

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Mdance

1/4/2010 6:25 AM UTC

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I wonder, what if I said that I took Utopia on the first week with three Fury units, would that cause Крестьянин-ZOMBIE to have a mental breakdown? :D

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

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Ингвар Высокий

1/4/2010 10:48 AM UTC

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I wonder, what if I told you that I took Utopia in the first week with three Furies?

Wow!!! Awesome!!! Replay, please!!!

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antonag07

1/4/2010 7:44 PM UTC

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Mdance

I wonder, what if I say that I took Utopia in the first week with three Furies, would it cause Крестьянин-ZOMBIE to have a mental breakdown? :D

Why are you doing this?! :D Be gentler, be gentler... Some people are already having their brains fried without electrodes by the second week, and you're attacking something sacred - the first week! Don't you know that

it's easiest to defeat Utopia with Necromancers, and even then...

...in the second month? ;) P.S. In the first week, Utopia can be taken even with 3-4 Gremlins in the army - and (oh, the blasphemy!) a hero who can do it - is definitely not Hafiz (a little hint - Nura does it much more confidently than Hafiz :p).

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Mdance

1/4/2010 9:08 PM UTC

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Wow!!! Awesome!!! Replay, please!!!

There is no replay specifically with Utopia. :smile05:
But I found a replay from a year ago against a couple of dozen Chaos Demons. And I think it clearly demonstrates the principles of interacting with AI. :smile42:

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Well, now I'll follow the precepts of Krestyanin-ZOMBIE and won't set foot in Utopia before the second month! :smile21:

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Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

Ингвар Высокий

1/5/2010 5:35 PM UTC

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P.S. On the first week, Utopia can be taken, and with 3-4 Gremlins in the army – and (oh, the blasphemy!) a hero who can accomplish this – is definitely not Hafiz (a little hint – Nura does this much more confidently than Hafiz).

Ha ha ha antonag07 – you are a master of sarcasm :)))) Nura took the Swamp on the first week with 3-4 Gremlins. Heh – REPLAY IN THE STUDIO!!!!

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Or are you thinking about fire traps? They have a 40% chance of triggering.