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OFFLINE Tournament "Knights of Honor"




I've been looking at various online resources for offline tournaments... IMHO, many find them inaccessible due to their complex and hard-to-execute rules, deadlines, and the difficulty of organizing and control... All these rules are necessary to avoid unfairness... I want to propose creating a tournament where fairness is established not by tedious rules, seconds, and judges, but by the Honor and Valor of the players themselves! As they say, We gentlemen take each other's word for it. :) In our case, something else will serve as the "word," but without any saves, game chronologies, or arena creation. Of course, not everyone will be able to play this way—most likely only proven forum members. The most important things in such a tournament are honesty and reliability. There will be no prize, of course, so there will be no incentive to behave dishonestly. It's like a game between two friends who are neighbors:
- Look how many points I scored on this map!
- That's nothing... Look how many I have!
- Wow! Well then, I'll beat the record!

As for the reward—that's up to the administration... Make suggestions on how to arrange it! Here is mine:

A list of players is compiled (only the most honest and fair!), the organizer selects maps, posts them one by one, players complete them and send a screenshot of the results showing the map name, player nick (must match the forum nick, and an identification mark issued by the organizer can be added), and points. Places will be awarded based on points. The system could be like this—for example, 8 players play a map, the 4 best results are chosen, those 4 players play the next map, 2 are chosen, and so on. Use of cheats, programs, and non-personal walkthroughs is prohibited. All this, of course, depends on your conscientiousness! I think using game bugs can be allowed, but then we'll need to agree on the game version—choice of SoD3.2, WoG, TE. Or we could ignore the version, since final points depend on the map and player experience! The point calculation formula shall be known to all: (200-(Days+10)/(N+5)+25+25)*difficulity :
where Days is the number of days, N is the number of towns on the map, difficulity is the difficulty level (easy=0.8, normal=1, hard=1.2 (seemingly), expert=1.6, impossible=2), first +25 points—if all enemies were killed, second +25 points—if the grail was dug up
Maximum 500 points. Something like that.

Waiting for your suggestions! Be honest!

Participant list:
Varg-Nar
Firelord
Qwerty
VDV_forever
fanat
Alex_soldier
Ta Kotoraya...
AlexeyPank
Supreme
UTER

The list continues to form, submit your applications.
Regulations of the first Tournament of Honor.
1. The tournament is conducted in three stages. The duration of each stage is 40 days. After this period, saves will not be accepted for consideration. There will be no exceptions!

2. Each stage involves three task-saves. Thus, the total number of tasks is nine, one for each race. The goal is to score the highest number of points while being guided by the SPIRIT, IDEOLOGY, and Rules of the save walkthrough.

3. Competitive events are held on maps of size M and L, with dungeons (M, L) and without them (L). Thus, 3 map size options are possible: M with dungeon, L without dungeon, L with dungeon. Computer opponents play in a union ("alliance"), their number ranging from 3 to 4 depending on the map's characteristics. The final decision regarding the number of opponents, map sizes, as well as terrain features (specifically water areas, mountains, teleports) is made by the tournament Organizers.

4. At the end of each stage, the participant sends winning saves and a screenshot of the "hall of fame." The winning save is made before the final battle. Winning saves should be named as follows: task number player nick points. For example: 1 vbs 500. In the screenshot name, put scr followed by the same as in the save name. The map should be completed under the nick registered in the tournament. Address for winning saves: TKoH@bk.ru

5. A player is entitled to send as many winning saves as they managed to complete. Thus, the number of sent saves can be from 1 to 3.

6. It is MANDATORY to save the message sent with the saves until the results are tallied. This is so that in case of email failure, the player can prove they sent the saves BEFORE the deadline.

7. Within a week after the end of each stage, results for each save are tallied.

8. After the third and final stage, general results are tallied. The results of all the player's winning saves are taken into account. Results are tallied by summing the points obtained during the walkthrough of each save. The tournament winner receives the corresponding title.

9. In case two or more participants score the same number of points, the following additional indicators apply:
1) number of days;
2) main hero's experience;
3) sum of main hero's primary skills without artifacts;
4) sum of primary skills with artifacts.

10. In case one or more players score the same number of points in the general standings, the following indicators apply:
1) "countdown" - arithmetic mean between a system fixing first and last places;
2) total number of days to complete all saves.

11. In case of doubts about the honesty of the walkthrough, the player is OBLIGED to provide a detailed report. Arguments such as "every squad had morale every turn," "all computer players entered Utopia one by one and died there," etc., will not be considered. If a player cannot provide a satisfactory report on the walkthrough, their save will be annulled. In case dishonest play is proven, the player will be excluded from the tournament without the right to participate in Tournaments of Honor for one year. In case of PROVEN use of cheat codes or other known dishonest methods in a final walkthrough, the tournament organizers will submit an ADMIN request to revoke the player's access to the site ("ban").

12. Tournament Organizers reserve the right to disqualify any participant from the tournament. They are not obliged to explain the reasons for such a step or prove that the walkthrough does not match the SPIRIT of the tournament.

Rules of the save walkthrough.
1. When completing a save, one should be guided by the SPIRIT and IDEOLOGY of the tournament and be honest.
2. Save hacking, use of third-party programs ("hero diggers" etc.), as well as the use of cheat codes is strictly prohibited.
3. Prohibited:
3.1. Dishonest play;
3.2. Use of s/l method (specifically "digging out a hero," forcing weekly/monthly growth, etc.);
3.3. Use of any cheat codes regardless of the walkthrough stage, including "map exploration";
3.4. Loading an autosave, specifically "grinding" a result through constant re-plays of each Gameplay.
4. Allowed:
4.1. Replaying the game twice FROM THE VERY beginning in case of losing the map. However, it is strictly prohibited to use saves from previous walkthroughs during the repeat attempt;
4.2. Replaying the map once from the very beginning without explaining reasons. However, it is strictly prohibited to use saves from previous walkthroughs during the repeat attempt.
5. The game is played as if against a live opponent, without constant saves and reloads.
6. I emphasize again specifically: LOADING AN AUTOSAVE, SAVING THE GAME BEFORE A BATTLE, LOADING ANY SAVE OTHER THAN THE STARTING ONE IS UNACCEPTABLE!, as it contradicts the SPIRIT of the Tournament. Only loading a save from a deferred game in case of interruption is allowed. Naturally, verifying this point is impossible, but the presence of Dessa, Crag Hack, Tazar, Solmyr, Cili among heroes and constant growth weeks, as well as taking griffin conservatories without losses, may lead to exclusion from the tournament.
7. In case of violation of the Rules, the player is guaranteed exclusion from the tournament and other "joys of life."

May Honor and Dignity be with you! Glorious Victories!:)


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Deadline for sending winning saves - October 01, 2006, 22:05.
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natasha, if we implement everything you suggest, how will our tournament differ from others? What will remain of "Knights of Honor"? Only the name... Initially, the rules were intended to be concise. Besides, the rules weren't just pulled out of thin air; they were discussed with the participants and approved.
P.S. I am all for aligning with the online format, but a time limit is not an option!
В крови Огонь, а не вода...
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I would also like to remind you that this tournament is a CLOSED event. Participation is only possible by invitation from the organizers. And the rules were discussed by the participants.
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Qwerty;32191
I would also like to remind you that this tournament is CLOSED. And you can only participate in it by invitation from the organizers. And the rules were discussed by the participants.

Ah, so that's what the closed nature is all about. It turns out I was politely turned down. Well, well.
That's why the organizers don't respond to emails, don't send saves to those who want them, etc.
Well, now I understand everything about you.

Sorry, I was a little late to the discussion, I'm trying to fix the situation now...

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Firelord;32190
natasha, if you implement everything you suggest, how will our tournament differ from others? What will remain of "Knights of Honor"? Only the name... Initially, the rules were conceived in just a few points. Besides, the rules were not taken out of thin air; they were discussed by the participants and adopted. P.S. I am all for getting closer to Online, but a time limit is not an option!

Well, I followed them. I didn't create saves to be loaded, but out of habit and to show what was wrong with the save. Everything was played in one go, and I can repeat any action 10 out of 10 times with the same winning result!

The discussion about the maps went on for so long, but I didn't quite understand. However, why take a "proven" map if someone could have played on it?
There was already a suggestion to generate a random map instead of taking a standard one. The time limit was proposed so that people wouldn't sit over the map with a calculator, observing the rule against loading saves! This really brings it closer to online, especially with the optional ban on cheat codes. There's no map, and you can't scout the save!
Isn't this the main idea behind the tournament?

As for TE, install it and see how it works, then we'll have something to talk about. The point is to generate saves that can be played on all versions of the game, as if it were SoD!
The rest of my suggestions are nuances and some specific examples.

Please consider my save as non-competitive. I will no longer participate in the "Knights of Honor" tournament...
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Natasha, we won't be able to argue:)))
The tournament is closed for a very simple reason: it's impossible and there's no desire to check whether the participants follow the rules.
Therefore, complete trust in the participants was necessary. Their selection was carried out by direct invitation from the organizers and recommendations from other participants.
Some participants were accepted at their direct request to the tournament organizers.
The discussion of the rules lasted quite a long time, and as a result, a certain compromise solution was reached.
Your decision to play outside the competition, in my opinion, deserves respect. I would even raise the issue more broadly - that you should not participate in the distribution of prize places, but the rating for the result shown would be awarded to you.
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Basically, I read Natasha's criticism here, and I want to say something right away (please don't be offended). You're just speaking from the perspective of very strong players – that's the whole reason. Some people find this tournament extremely easy – you, for example. I can't imagine how to complete the first map in 9 days, no matter what! I assume that for pros who play with a calculator, everything is really easy. But I don't think there are many real professionals on the forum; you see, most people here are just enthusiasts. I didn't even manage to complete the first map on my first try, even though I don't consider myself a weak player. (Now I understand – I'm weak compared to people like you.) The second time, I was defeated while capturing the last castle, and that was it; there was no point in continuing. I had one more try left, and I completed it successfully, in my opinion – 444 points, 28 days. Of course, I'm far from 9-7-5 days :D But what can you do? So, I have a request for the respected Natasha: when you talk about the "easy" map, the unfairness of the organizers, and so on, please speak only for yourself. Don't generalize – like, everything is wrong and bad with you! Everything is fine here; those who don't want to participate don't have to; no one is forcing anyone! That's it. Once again, please forgive me.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Ta Kotoraya...;32227
Basically, I read Natasha's criticism here… and I want to say right away (don’t be offended). You are simply speaking on behalf of very strong players – that is the whole reason… For some, this Tournament seems EXTREMELY easy – for you, for example… I can’t imagine how to complete the first map in 9 days – no matter what!!! I assume that for professionals who play with a calculator, everything is really easy and simple… But I don’t think there are many real professionals on the forum… you see, most people here are just amateurs ;)

That’s exactly the point: even pros have to take paper and pen in hand to comply with the rules instead of simply reloading the save, which cannot even be checked.
And the map isn’t completed easily because of the level of gameplay, but only due to poor preparation. Nowhere, never, in tournament maps do they leave monsters that readily join!
A good map has been “tailored” for themselves – that’s what was actually done.

And how about this: "I would also like to remind you that this Tournament is CLOSED. And it is possible to participate in it only by invitation from the organizers. And the rules were discussed by the participants."

In short, I am creating a new topic for discussion. I will not interfere with the organizers dividing the prizes among themselves!

P.S. Everyone who doesn't understand how to complete the first task in 5 days can look here: /topic/at/31893/
After looking at the save from day 4, you will understand what kind of stupidity Natasha is writing about (instead of digging in in the city, the computer flies out and dies in auto-battle, without killing a single unit)! The stupidity of the AI spoils the game, regardless of the players' skill level.
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Qwerty;32212

In my opinion, your decision to play outside of the competition deserves respect. I would even suggest a broader approach – that you shouldn’t participate in the distribution of prize places, but your rating should still be calculated based on your performance.

I am no longer participating in the tournament!
And I don’t understand how to rate a tournament where some people are invited, and others don’t even receive a response to their request to send save files.
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Hello everyone!
I would really like to participate in the tournament.
Please register me as a participant, if possible.
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I kindly request that the organizers consider including Energizer among the tournament participants. I have known this warrior for a very long time:))) He is a true Knight!
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Hello World!!! Sorry if I say something wrong. This is the first time I'll participate in a tournament like this, and I'm very happy about it. Since I couldn't find a registration template, I'll write here:). I'm asking to register me under the nickname $0w@. The version I'm using is Heroes of Might and Magic 3.5, but I can also use SoD. I downloaded the save file - let's try it out:). HUGE thanks to the tournament organizers.
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I saw your thread before, but I wasn't really interested in it until now. Now I've read it in more detail, and I'm really bummed that I can't participate in the tournament because I'm a complete newbie when it comes to things like archiving, screenshots, and uploading save files. Plus, I only have "World of Xeen" for Heroes 3, and I guess that's not suitable?
Бог есть любовь
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natasha;32093

I suggested generating saves on TE primarily because, firstly, it's convenient for the organizers (they don't need to spend a long time working with the map in the editor; it's enough to activate just a few menu items), and secondly, the save will be fully compatible with both SoD and TE, which means those who already have TE installed won't have to worry about finding the Breath of Death disc to reinstall it. These are the realities.
In this case, TE is not a version of the game as such, but a very convenient tool!
And I still don't understand why patch 3.2 wasn't installed.
Or is that not the third game either?!
Who needs a stupid AI algorithm and bugs that are prohibited from being used in all tournaments (I specifically checked one of the bugs in the second task, and it's quite critical!)?

I'm also in favor of TE.
But TE has a small drawback – it needs frequent version updates.
That's why I agreed to SoD 3.2, as did most people.

And now about the bug.
I still managed to defeat the dragons!!! It all depends on the player. If someone plays fairly, they will still play that way.

And now, a question for the organizers: I sent the saves 10 days ago – and there's been no response? How long should I wait?
If there's no answer within a week, I'll post it right here!
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I decided to address the concerns of dissatisfied users:) ...

Please excuse me, but where were you all when there was a heated discussion about this tournament???:( And when participants were being recruited.:mad:
Frankly, I didn't even see a hint of those users who wanted to play, and who were NOT INCLUDED in this tournament for objective reasons!!!

Now that the tournament is in full swing, you don't like it...
I don't understand this!

Once again (for those who don't read the header of this topic carefully), I remind you:
The goal of this unique tournament is precisely to ensure the HONESTY of the participants WITHOUT USING CHEAT CODES, SCOUTING, etc., which are widely practiced in all other tournaments on all gaming resources of this genre!
And if you DON'T UNDERSTAND how you can play just for enjoyment, and not for a record (using endless reloads, etc.), then I'm sorry, this tournament IS NOT FOR YOU!!!

I hope for your understanding.

P.S. On weekdays, there is absolutely no time to complete the last map:( (Lots of work, unfortunately), but there is still time on weekends:) ;) . I will manage:)

Sincerely, VDV_forever
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I decided to express my opinion regarding the dissatisfied users:) ...

Please excuse me, but where were you all when there was a heated discussion about this tournament???:( And when participants were being recruited.:mad:
Honestly, I didn't even see a hint of those users who wanted to play, and who were NOT INCLUDED in this tournament for objective reasons!!!

Now that the tournament is in full swing, you don't like it...
I don't understand this!

Once again (for those who don't read the header of this topic), I remind you:
The goal of this unique tournament is precisely to ensure the HONESTY of the participants WITHOUT USING CHEAT CODES, SCOUTING, etc., which are widely practiced in all other tournaments on all gaming resources of this genre!
And if you DON'T UNDERSTAND how you can play just for enjoyment, and not for a record (using endless reloads, etc.), then I'm sorry, this tournament is NOT FOR YOU!!!

I hope for your understanding

P.S. On weekdays, there is absolutely no time to complete the last map:( (There's a lot of work, unfortunately), but there is still time and weekends:) ;) . I will manage:)

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Well, if I didn't participate in the discussion either...
I don't even know what to say after this.
By the way, I'll remind you that the question of the tournament being closed was not put to a vote!
I personally thought that it would be like in the tournament for 2 heroes: if you want to play, you ask to send the saves. And that's it! Who decided everything? For now, it's QWERTY's position.
I understand your desire, dear participants of the tournament, to eliminate competitors. But how can we talk about fair play then?
And why am I hearing such accusations???
I played all the tasks in one evening and sent them immediately - what reloads are we talking about, does anyone seriously think that, for example, for Natasha, with her phenomenal result, they are needed! This is skill, but what the others are doing for so many days - I don't know!
And Varg-Nar initially wrote about the map...
Just read the topic of this forum.
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Dear tournament organizers! And also the tournament participants!

I found some time and completed all 3 maps:) , but for some reason I cannot send them:(

When sending, the following is written:

An unidentified error occurred Subject SAVES from VDV_forever
Account pop.bk.ru
Server: 'smtp.bk.ru', Protocol: SMTP, Server response: '503 Administrative prohibition -- authorization required. Users in your domain are not allowed to send email without authorization. See http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/261.html for details.', Port: 25, Security (SSL): No, Server error: 503, Error code: 0x800CCC65 :mad: :mad: :mad:

Maybe it's worth posting the saves, as well as the scr directly in this thread???

P.S. Or maybe my mail is glitching:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sincerely VDV_forever

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