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Gorbik

19 years ago

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IronAxe;21006

Everything has already been invented. We need to gather all the best...

And this is called PLAGIARISM! :mad:
Aren't you afraid of sanctions? Offline tournaments on Earth, Titles, and Money (all of the above are virtual) were invented by me in 2000. And have already been successfully implemented on ****.
I warn you that all ideas taken from **** are my intellectual property, and I will defend my property by all possible means.

Руководитель http://www.HeroesPortal.net

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Supreme

19 years ago

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Gorbik;32111

This is called PLAGIARISM! :mad:
Aren't you afraid of sanctions? Offline Tournaments on Earth, Titles, and Money (all of the above are virtual) were invented by me in 2000. And have already been successfully implemented on www.heroesportal.net
I warn you that all ideas taken from www.heroesportal.net are my intellectual property, and I will defend my property by all possible means.

Dear Gorbik... You have a strange way of expressing claims to everyone at once in a rather rude manner (just read the few messages you left here and in other topics). No matter who you are, you need to have respect for other internet users. Especially if you are the "leader" of a large gaming resource! Learn to control yourself.

Regarding plagiarism, I want to say the following.
First, when I was writing the project in this topic, I hadn't even heard of HeroesPortal.net (I only got unlimited internet in mid-June this year).
Second, as you can see, this project is obviously not needed by the administration, as there hasn't been a single statement from them, and the discussion has been dead for a month now...
Third, a slightly different system was envisioned than yours...
Fourth, for some reason, it seems to me that you don't have the potential for this idea, so it can be used by other people (besides, no commercial benefit was intended)
....
In general, I think I can find a dozen more comments to your accusations (for example, by rereading the Copyright Law), but I don't want to do that, for the reason already stated - the project is dead, you can be happy.

P.S. Once again, it's not appropriate for a serious, respectable person to behave like this with other people!

Sincerely, Supreme...

Supreme
Shadow Master - Clan Leader

Стань лучше и сам пойми, кто ты, прежде чем встретишь нового человека и будешь надеятся, что он тебя поймет. (с)

Элистион - 3-е место в Расовом Вопросе!

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Gorbik

19 years ago

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Supreme;32124

P.S. I'll repeat myself once again: it's not appropriate for a serious, respectable person to behave like that towards other people!
Sincerely, Supreme...

Just don't distort the FACTS!;
It's bad to steal. I behave perfectly correctly when people cooperate with me, not when they steal.

P.S. Don't worry about the licenses; I've been working on my project for 6 years, and similar precedents have occurred.

Also, with respect to people who generate THEIR OWN ideas and bring them to life.

Руководитель http://www.HeroesPortal.net

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Supreme

19 years ago

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Gorbik;32125

I also have respect for people who generate THEIR own ideas and bring them to life.
Just don't distort the FACTS! ;)
It's bad to steal. I behave quite correctly when people cooperate with me, not steal from me.

You don't need to worry about the ideas either; I have plenty of them (including the fact that this project was formed completely without knowledge of any other systems of this type, so it's pure creativity).

I don't want to argue with you... I'll just give a couple of quotes, draw your own conclusions... If you can't listen to feedback, that's your problem.

Just don't distort the FACTS!
It's bad to steal. I behave quite correctly when people cooperate with me, not steal from me.

And this is called PLAGIARISM!
Aren't you afraid of sanctions?
Threats, accusations of theft right away...

Heh, every opinion should be justified.
and a response to this message:
Probably this is a dig at me? The article is certainly interesting, but you know what, one question came to my mind: have you read the conference with feedback about this article? If not, read it; there are some smart thoughts there. And for the most part, they are not very flattering to the author of the article. 8))
Everyone has the right to their opinion on this resource and in life in general, and you shouldn't put any articles (especially with such comments) above anyone's opinion.

I have been using the names "Heroes Portal" and "Lands of Heroes" since 2000, but I cannot and do not want to make claims that the administrators of this resource stole these phrases, because there is also Ubisoft and Nival, which own the registered rights to the Heroes of Might and Magic brand. I just wanted to remind you about netiquette...
Again, accusations of theft right away... without figuring it out...

Well, I won't say anything about the blatant advertising....

In general, out of 7 messages, more than half, IMHO, do not characterize a person in the best way, especially such a responsible one... it's up to you...

P.S. And about "theft," I repeat, it won't happen here, so you don't have to worry.

P.S.S. I want to reveal a secret about the rapid development of the site. On this portal, among its residents, Honor, Loyalty, and Mutual Respect are valued... Qualities worthy of Heroes!

Supreme
Shadow Master - Clan Leader

Стань лучше и сам пойми, кто ты, прежде чем встретишь нового человека и будешь надеятся, что он тебя поймет. (с)

Элистион - 3-е место в Расовом Вопросе!

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Gorbik;32111

This is called PLAGIARISM! :mad:
Aren't you afraid of sanctions? Offline tournaments on Earth, Titles, and Money (all of the above are virtual) were invented by me in 2000. And have already been successfully implemented on ****.
I warn you that all ideas taken from **** are my intellectual property, and I will defend my property by all possible means.

Dear Gorbik!

First. Before accusing someone of something, you need concrete facts!
We are not afraid of any sanctions! We have a very good legal framework for this.

Second. You can rest assured, we don't need your ideas! We have enough of our own. If you read this topic carefully, as well as the topics that you think have been stolen from you, you will see that there are no ideas taken from your gaming resource!

Third. Our site is radically different from yours precisely because of its new features, highlights, and excellent attitude of users towards each other!

Fourth. Even if something is borrowed from someone, it will be in a modernized, clearly different form from the original version, and there is nothing wrong with that!

Fifth. A person also invented a weapon once, now everyone is producing it and patenting it, patenting it...., but the weapon remains a weapon, only in a modernized form! It was, it is, and it always will be!!!

Sixth. It is forbidden by the rules of the site to advertise your internet resource explicitly:mad:! And you know this very well!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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Gorbik;32125

Just don't distort the FACTS!;)
It's bad to steal. I behave quite correctly when people cooperate with me, and not steal.

Who and what exactly are you accusing of stealing???

Gorbik;32125

Also, with respect to people who generate THEIR own ideas and bring them to life.

It would have been better to say it right away. But to come and accuse someone of stealing, and then advertise once again your site, while showing the FACE OF THE MANAGER, is not only impractical but also unsightly. With your behavior (a person who sees a catch in everything), you are only alienating your own users!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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PALADIN;32095

The main problem with the whole idea is that everything there is sold and everything is bought. And your income is not an indicator of the game's strength.
This will, of course, be commercially beneficial for those who organize it. That's why those who didn't make it there are creating a new pyramid on a hyped-up site. Otherwise, if it's so great, they would just be there...

READ THIS TOPIC CAREFULLY!!!:mad:
We come here to communicate and play, not to build some kind of incomprehensible pyramid! (Do you even think when you say that?). Fortunately, we don't have an auction, but a gaming and THE BEST RESOURCE ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB, DEDICATED TO HEROES!

THE ADMINISTRATION OF OUR RESOURCE HAS NEVER TAKEN ANY MONEY, UNLIKE OTHER INTERNET RESOURCES! AND DOES NOT INTEND TO!

ON THE CONTRARY, WE GIVE MONEY FROM OUR OWN POCKETS TO HOLD TOURNAMENTS, CONTESTS!

On behalf of the administration and personally

Sincerely, VDV_forever

***JOKER***

19 years ago

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Gorbik, I have a question... You're talking about financial pyramids... So, how does it happen that on your portal, to deposit money into your virtual account, you need to deposit $1, and this will be equal to 100 Arroba. But when withdrawing, $1 will be equal to 1000 Arroba... How is that? Where do the remaining 90% of the money go? It would be good if it was for the development of the portal... But what if it isn't...?
Secondly, the idea of virtual money is as old as the world... Even if it's the first time you've encountered it in the world of Heroes, it's already quite widespread on the Russian internet...
Our portal, in turn, is unlikely to link real and virtual money... Only virtual... No real dollar costs...

www.disciples3.net - Лучший портал о Disciples 3 Renaissance

Все что вы хотели знать о Heroes 3 на www.homm3.net

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PALADIN

19 years ago

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VDV_forever;32188

THE ADMINISTRATION OF OUR RESOURCE HAS NEVER TAKEN ANY MONEY, UNLIKE OTHER INTERNET RESOURCES! AND DOES NOT INTEND TO!

On behalf of the administration and personally,

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Thank you, this is exactly the answer I was waiting for. I apologize.

AlexeyPank

19 years ago

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Money comes and goes, but Heroes are eternal. Perhaps it would be better to stop all discussions related to money, so as not to face accusations of theft and plagiarism later? Just make it possible to convert rating points into profile decorations, and that's it?

Мы спасемся? Я не знаю. Верьте...
Геройский Интернационал
Клан Homo homini - основатель клана
Член РКСМ с 07.07.07.
ФЛУДОВСКИЕ ССЫЛКИ!- сообщить о бесполезной теме/сообщении.

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Ta Kotoraya...

19 years ago

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AlexeyPank;32338

Money comes and goes, but Heroes are eternal. Maybe it would be better to stop all discussions related to money, so we don't have to listen to accusations of theft and plagiarism later? Just make it possible to convert rating points into profile decorations, and that's it?

I agree... I also liked the idea of being able to convert rating points (since we won't touch on the topic of money) into gifts for other participants (I think I read something like that here... or maybe not here... anyway, somewhere, I don't remember:D). And here you can come up with various options - from a simple bouquet of flowers for girls to some kind of full-size Hero statue "made of pure gold" - as a gift for a birthday or just for someone special. Of course, you need to find beautiful pictures of all this and organize something like a Shop on the forum, where all this will be available... Well, not exactly available for purchase, I didn't mean that, but rather a place where items that can be gifted with a certain number of rating points will be displayed. That's it. Maybe something quite interesting will come out of it, IMHO.

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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Gorbik

19 years ago

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For VDV, I apologize, but you say that you don't take money and aren't planning to, so how should we deal with this issue?

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Don't take it too seriously... :) You need to treat many things with humor. I wish you good luck in developing the resource; you have achieved good results in a short time.

***JOKER***;32195

Gorbik, here is a question... You are talking about financial pyramids...

What pyramids are you talking about? :0) Heroes isn't MMM; if I wanted to make money, I wouldn't create a portal about Heroes :) I earn money from other things.

So, how does it happen that on your portal, to deposit money into your virtual account, you need to put in 1 USD, and this will be equal to 100 arrobos.
And when withdrawing, 1 USD will be equal to 1000 arrobos... How is this possible? Where do the remaining 90% of the money go? It would be nice if it was for the development of the portal... But what if not...?

Nothing unexpected happens. I will cash out the money, meaning if someone wins 100,000, I will send them WebMoney or Western Union with $100 in real money. And note that I do it upon first request. I take the money from my personal salary in real life. The expenses for the Portal are enormous. If you know, we have a very large collection of cards, and the outgoing traffic to foreign servers costs a lot of money. I moved the portal from Ukraine to Russia because I received an invoice for $800 for three months from the provider in Ukraine; now, thank God, the expenses are more minimized.

Second, the idea of virtual money is as old as the world... Perhaps in the world of Heroes, you are encountering it for the first time,

Well, see, FOR THE FIRST TIME! :) Sorry, whoever comes up with it first is the author.
In general, they aren't discussing HeroesPortal here. I suggest no longer returning to my project here.

I am currently writing a tournament project for the Fifth Heroes among Russian-speaking sites. I would like to invite Nival, Heroic Corner, League of Heroes, and you to the tournament. What do you think, should we wait for the add-on, or start forming teams now? Although, it’s better to discuss this in a separate thread.

Руководитель http://www.HeroesPortal.net

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Supreme

19 years ago

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Ta Kotoraya...;32371

I agree... I also liked the idea of being able to exchange rating points (let's not touch on the topic of money) for gifts for other participants (I think I read something like that somewhere... or maybe not here... anyway, somewhere, I don't remember:D). And you could come up with various options here - from a simple bouquet of flowers for girls to some kind of life-size Hero statue "made of pure gold" - as a gift for a birthday or just for someone special ;). Of course, it would be necessary to find beautiful pictures of all this and organize something like a Shop on the forum, where all this stuff will be bought... Well, more precisely, not bought, I didn't say it quite right, but rather where items that can be given out based on corresponding rating points will be displayed. That's it. It might turn out to be something very interesting, IMHO.

Thank you everyone for your support!

Gifts are definitely great, in my project there was a point about spending rating gulden or whatever on nice little things (gifts for others and decorating your profile), but unfortunately, this is a matter for the future, because so far, unfortunately, the Administration (in the person of Admin) has not expressed any opinion regarding anything similar... Very sad.

Dear Admin, I would really like to hear your opinion on all this, on what can be implemented, what should be considered, discussed, and what is absolutely unacceptable and will never be realized. And most importantly, whether you need all this at all. I really hope for some kind of reaction. I think that the portal needs to move to a new level soon... Otherwise, it will start to stagnate, which I would really not want!

P.S. Also, I hope that Gorbik, you are not offended with me, or even if you are, then only with me, I am by no means a representative of the Administration, and my words are purely my personal opinion, I hope that this will not affect the cooperation between two first-class portals!

With Great Respect to all those who wish well and prosperity to the HeroesWorld.ru Portal and Heroes in general! Supreme

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Gorbik;32746

What pyramids are you talking about? :0) Heroes is not MMM, if I wanted to make money, I wouldn't create a Portal about Heroes :) I earn money on other things.

Well, look, FOR THE FIRST TIME! :) Sorry, whoever was first is the author.
And in general, they are not discussing HeroesPortal here. I suggest we don't return to my project here anymore.

I'm currently writing a tournament project for Fifth Heroes among Russian-speaking sites. I would like to invite Nival, Heroic Corner, League of Heroes and You to the tournament. What do you think, should we wait for the add-on or start forming teams now? Although it's better to discuss this in a separate thread.

Okay, let's forget this empty conversation. I hope everyone has drawn the right conclusions.
Regarding the tournament, I really think it's best to discuss it in a separate thread. I agree.
For VDV, sorry, but you say that you don't take money and won't be taking any, so how will it work with this topic?

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Gorbik;32746

Don't take it too close to heart... You need to treat many things with humor. I wish you good luck in developing your resource, you have achieved good results in a short time.

And yet, money doesn't give you peace... Read carefully. This is for investors or just those who want to help voluntarily. It does not provide any + or - (or arrobes, ashanov, gulden...), so this does not apply to fundraising. Be more careful, this seems to be your main problem... ;)

Supreme
Shadow Master - Clan Leader

Стань лучше и сам пойми, кто ты, прежде чем встретишь нового человека и будешь надеятся, что он тебя поймет. (с)

Элистион - 3-е место в Расовом Вопросе!

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***JOKER***

19 years ago

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Gorbik;32746

Regarding VDV, you say that you don't take money and won't be collecting it, so how should we handle this topic?
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This is a completely different matter... Only for those who want to... Those who want will help, and if someone doesn't want to, that's not a big deal...

Gorbik

What pyramids are you talking about? :0) Heroes isn't MMM; if I wanted to make money, I wouldn't create a portal dedicated to Heroes. I earn money from other things.

So, does your portal only bring expenses? Then why do all of this? What's the point? Unless you're Bill Gates...

Gorbik

I am currently working on a tournament project for Heroes 5 among Russian-speaking websites. I would like to invite Nival, Heroic Corner, League of Heroes, and you to participate in the tournament. Do you think it would be better to wait for the add-on or start forming teams now? Although, it might be better to discuss this in a separate thread.

Yes, I think it would be better to wait for the add-on. With it, I think there will be many more participants. And I think our portal won't refuse to participate... Personally, I definitely will!!! The offer is very enticing.

www.disciples3.net - Лучший портал о Disciples 3 Renaissance

Все что вы хотели знать о Heroes 3 на www.homm3.net

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Gorbik;32746

For the VDV, I apologize, but you say that you don't take money and won't be taking any, so how should we deal with this topic?

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This is completely voluntary help! It exists in every institution, company, etc.

Gorbik;32746

Don't take it too seriously... :) You need to approach many things with humor.

When it comes to our resource, as well as its users (in poor condition), then please excuse me, but approaching it with humor is simply unacceptable!!!
I will always defend the rights of www.HeroesWorld.ru and all the site's users!!!

Gorbik;32746

I wish you good luck in developing the resource; you have achieved good results in a short time.

And thank you for that. And to you as well;

Gorbik;32746

Suddenly, nothing happens. I will cash out the money, meaning if someone wins 100,000, I will send them WebMoney or Western Union for $100 in real money. Moreover, note that this will be done upon first request. The money will come from my personal salary in real life.

Perhaps I should remain silent here; something about it seems unbelievable:
I think you shouldn't talk like that and make such bold statements because you might not be able to fulfill your promise. If users start submitting their entries en masse, then if you are not a millionaire, it will be impossible to pay everyone.

This is just advice for the future;

Gorbik;32746

In general, we don't discuss **** here. I suggest we no longer return to my project here.

But that's right! I completely agree!

Gorbik;32746

I am currently writing a tournament project for Heroes V among Russian-speaking sites. I would like to invite Nival, Heroic Corner, League of Heroes, and you to the tournament. What do you think? Should we wait for the add-on or start forming teams now? Although, it would be better to discuss this in a separate thread.

First of all, thank you for the offer! We will definitely accept it!
Secondly, we must definitely wait for the add-on! To create adequate maps for the upcoming tournament!
Thirdly, if you create such a thread, I assure you that it won't go unnoticed! (It would be nice to see the principles of building the future tournament in it.)

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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Gorbik

19 years ago

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***JOKER***;32758

This is a completely different matter... Only for those who want to... Those who want to will help, and those who don't want to, that's fine...

So, you only get expenses from your portal? Then what's the point of all this? What's the meaning? Unless you're Bill Gates...

Yes, I think it's better to wait for the expansion. I think there will be many more people interested in it. And I think our portal won't refuse to participate in it... Personally, I definitely will!!! The offer is very tempting...

You're provoking me to go off-topic... :(
I apologize to the administration. I'll answer one last time, and I won't answer any more questions in this thread about the Heroes Portal.

So, on the Heroes Portal, EVERYTHING is FREE! And if we receive money, we convert it into virtual money, i.e., we RETURN it! This includes shipping costs!

Virtual money is earned by PLAYERS/VISITORS PRIMARILY IN TOURNAMENTS! We also pay virtual money for new maps, drawing attributes/avatars, etc. There are a total of 5 affiliate programs for earning money, which we can then cash out! We pay for the work of people who spend time visiting our resource.

Regarding my expenses... The Heroes Portal is a HOBBY! And a hobby requires expenses. Yes, I started with free hosting, like many others, but now the resource has outgrown that hosting.
I admit, I wanted to quit this more than once... but my friends talked me out of it :)
My team helps me a lot with everything and reduces the expenses for the Portal as well.

Regarding cashing out, I don't throw words around. I send money once a month! And this is also written so that players don't rush to cash out en masse. I haven't cheated anyone yet, and I don't plan to.

Currently, the Heroes Portal is fully self-sustaining through advertising and donations from players. And we use the profit for prizes. Here are some of the prizes I sent out this year.
http://www.heroesportal.net/files/b/priz_p.jpg
The distribution of these prizes itself cost a lot, not to mention the creative work on the statuettes.

To close the issue of permissions, I want to say that I VERY much respect other people's work. For example, the picture of Heroes that you see on the "front page" of the Portal and is used on the Portal's t-shirts was used with the permission of the Buka company at the time, as it was the copyright holder of the brand in the CIS countries. And it was taken from the company's closed FTP.

Once again, I apologize to the Admin for going off-topic. I won't answer any more questions about the Portal. Let's discuss a joint tournament for Heroes 5 after the expansion.

Руководитель http://www.HeroesPortal.net

HwKeeper

19 years ago

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Many have invited me to participate in this discussion, so I will respond, but very briefly, with my thoughts on introducing Virtual Currency:

The introduction of virtual currency will be implemented in the future and for completely different purposes; perhaps some of the ideas suggested here will be used.
Currently, introducing virtual currency is very difficult to implement technically, and its introduction does not justify its goals, so I suggest putting this issue on hold until the near future, about which I will inform you later.

First of all, thank you all for the ideas suggested in this topic.

As described above, virtual currency is non-convertible and remains virtual and can only be used within our resource.

Gorbik

I am currently working on a project for a tournament in Heroes 5 among Russian-speaking websites. I would like to invite Nival, Heroic Corner, League of Heroes, and you to the tournament. What do you think, should we wait for the add-on or start forming teams now? Although, it would be better to discuss this in a separate thread.

Thank you for the invitation. This issue should indeed be discussed in another topic. We are genuinely interested in cooperating with all Heroes-related websites, not just Russian-speaking ones. I also have another very interesting proposal for HeroesPortal, which I will announce in the future and suggest discussing it with the respected Gorbik.

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