Best mapmaker of 2009 (Voting) — Mapmaking Contests

Dyrman

12/2/2009 1:54 PM UTC

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Tieru

Two nominations are not enough; it should be like in Miss Universe (though the comparison isn't very good :D). One winner is chosen, and the others who didn't win receive nominations (so they don't feel bad). In our case, this applies to mapmakers.

No... 2 winners, and the rest can :smile15: :)

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Mish-gan

12/2/2009 2:09 PM UTC

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In my opinion, there should be three nominations: 1. Best Multiplayer Map. 2. Best Single-Player Map. 3. Most Original (Unique) Map. Regulations: 1. Timetable (registration start and end dates, submission start and end dates, voting start and end dates on the website for the submitted maps in each nomination). 2. Participant Registration (participants fill out application forms – a final list of participants is created). 3. Establishing requirements for map creation (including the number of maps from one mapmaker): 3.1. requirements for a multiplayer map (e.g., number of participants, balance, objectives, tasks, terrain, heroes, etc.); 3.2. requirements for a single-player map (e.g., non-linearity of the plot, balance, objectives, terrain, heroes, etc.); 3.3. the selection of the most original (unique) map will take place among all maps participating in the competition (I suggest that they will be evaluated, for example, based on the style and charisma of the map). 4. Creating a page with the submitted maps for testing and evaluation by website visitors. (To maintain suspense, I suggest not showing preliminary results, but displaying them after the voting is completed). I would like to add that to increase the motivation of mapmakers, it is necessary to come up with some kind of reward! Many nuances have not been taken into account here, but the overall idea is logical. Added 1 minute later. As for the "Mapmaker of the Year," it's too early to talk about it; there are few maps, and among those available this year, the choice is already clear; there is no competition!

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Lux in tenebris

12/3/2009 10:38 AM UTC

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My friends, hello! Great ideas.
Let's figure out how we'll do it. After the New Year, starting around the 10th, we'll launch the contest.
Let's start with a multi-card contest.
The size should be at least XXL.
Mish-gan, well done! So, if you agree with these ideas, launch the contest after the New Year. Create a topic, and I'll adjust it if needed.
Okay, one more thing. This is the prize for the winner of the "Best Card Creator 2009" contest.
I understand that it should be a 20x20 GIF image.
Here are some ready-made works; I posted them on http://gothicgame.ru
Go to this link:
http://gothicgame.ru/t-22126/index3.html
5 archives.
And this one:
http://gothicgame.ru/t-22126/index2.html
Another 10 archives. The nickname is the same.
If needed, register. There are just a lot of my works in the archives.
I don't have time to re-upload them, and I'm using a mobile connection.
If you have your own ideas, that would be great too. Post them in this topic. We'll discuss everything related to the contests here. :)
P.S. In general, as always, let's support each other and keep the chatter to a minimum; let's stick to the point. ;)

Евангелие от Иоанна, 1.5: Lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt. Свет во тьме светит, и тьма не объяла его.

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Dyrman

12/3/2009 10:47 AM UTC

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Voting for the 3rd nomination type cannot be carried out by players of this map, as own-originality would be expressed by a wide variance in scores. That is, some vote 1 for the map—others 10. Thus, the average score will be low.
In other words:
Because originality (adherence to a specific style, etc.) is understood differently by players, for some the map will be a masterpiece, for others it will be cra*** .
Solution:
1. There are formulas that calculate variance.
2. This nomination is not needed. And would there even be many maps? Maybe 3 in total.

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Lux in tenebris

My friends, hello! Excellent ideas.
Let's do it this way... After the New Year, around the ~10th), we will launch the contest.

I hope you know what finals week is? ;)
The beginning of February is the optimal option.

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Mish-gan

12/3/2009 2:18 PM UTC

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Froska

Voting for the 3rd type of nomination cannot be done by players of this map, because the uniqueness will be expressed by a large spread of scores. That is, some vote for the map 1, others 10. Therefore, the average score will be low.
In other words:
Because originality (connection to a specific style, etc.) is understood differently by players, for some the map will be a masterpiece, for others – garbage.
Solution:
1. There are formulas that calculate the spread.
2. This nomination is not needed. And will there be many maps? Maybe only 3.

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I hope you know what a session is? ;)
Early February is the optimal option.

In my opinion, the "originality" nomination is no less important and relevant than the two main ones, as this will be one of the incentives for map creators to approach the creation of a map with soul, to come up with something unique and special (I think most map creators understand what I'm talking about). The understanding of originality is different for everyone, but everyone grasps the idea, and this is the essence of this nomination, and the main meaning is to reveal the talent of the map creator (perhaps one that he is not even aware of). It will be pleasant for everyone to be nominated!
You are right about the spread of scores, but there is always a solution – it is necessary to think about (together) a system of evaluation, it could be like this:
- calculation using a formula (I don't know how, but I think there is a way);
- awarding points using a +1 or nothing system (as in sociology);
- awarding points using a +1, +0.5, 0 system (as in statistics);
- in addition to the site guests, an expert or a group of experts can evaluate the scores;
- maybe there are other options, we need to think about it together.

Regarding the timing, I agree that there is no need to rush and it is necessary to take into account the upcoming holidays and the possible workload of students!

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Lux in tenebris

12/4/2009 8:19 AM UTC

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Froska, of course, I know, February, so February.
Mish-gan, yes, we won't rush, it's the new year and all that.
Measure seven times, cut once.
In general, as soon as you're ready, immediately upload the entries for the contest.
I'll try to check in and help.
You will be the main contest organizer (the brains behind it).
The creator can only grant moderator status in this section, but I don't think it's necessary (there are no such positions. For example, mapmaker. I talked to him about this. As I understand it, it would be redundant). If necessary, I'll adjust things as well.

Евангелие от Иоанна, 1.5: Lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt. Свет во тьме светит, и тьма не объяла его.

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Mish-gan

12/4/2009 10:41 AM UTC

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In order to properly organize and conduct the competition, we need a team! If we're going to put in the effort, we shouldn't drag it out! WHAT IS NEEDED TO RUN THE COMPETITION: 1. At least one more capable organizer! 2. Moderator assistance in correctly placing the regulatory information on the page; specifics: - First, how do we create a topic or page? - How do we register participants through the website? - How do we create a database of submitted maps on the website? The idea is to collect all the maps first and then display them on the website at the same time for evaluation in the multiplayer and single-player categories. This is a key point to ensure everyone is on a level playing field! - How do we track plagiarism? - How do we conduct voting after the maps are displayed (how do we create a voting window)? This is also very important – during voting, the overall results should not be displayed immediately; the results should be hidden until the winner is announced (for suspense), but it can also be done without this. - Assistance in promoting the competition to attract participants and forum visitors! MY PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR THE COMPETITION (let's discuss): 1. Announce (open) participant registration from January 4th to January 31st, 2010. 2. Post the rules and requirements for the maps on the website from February 1st to February 7th, 2010. 3. Simultaneously, starting on February 1st, 2010, the countdown begins for participants to create their maps – let's say the deadline will be 30 days, meaning the final submission date will be March 2nd (from February 1st, 2010, to March 2nd, 2010). 4. From March 3rd, 2010, to March 7th, 2010, tally the results! 5. Announce the results on March 8th! PLEASE, IF ANYONE WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ORGANIZATION, PLEASE CONTACT ME! I CAN'T DO IT ALONE!

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Небо

12/4/2009 11:25 AM UTC

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I am willing to help in any way I can.

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

По вопросам модерации: nebov24@gmail.com

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Mish-gan

12/4/2009 12:22 PM UTC

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Tieru

I am willing to help in any way I can.

Excellent, I hope for mutual understanding and cooperation!

Let's see what the all-powerful moderator has to say, and then we can start discussing some of the nuances before we begin!

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Mish-gan

12/8/2009 8:49 AM UTC

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FOR Lux in tenebris

You promised to help, please answer my questions above!
Otherwise, we won't make any progress!

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Dyrman

12/8/2009 11:55 AM UTC

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VaRvArHawk, you're so smart!)))
Is it really possible to vote for yourself?
The moderators need to fix this so that people can't vote for themselves.

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VaRvArHawk

12/8/2009 11:42 PM UTC

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Voting for yourself doesn't count; I just wanted to check the rating:D

P.S. I'm giving you my vote; you have some good multiplayer maps.

:smile24: Клан ВАМПИРЫ:smile19:

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Lux in tenebris

12/10/2009 4:57 PM UTC

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VaRvArHawk, it's considered...
But it's unethical to vote for yourself)).
Mish-gan, sorry, I don't have that much time. That's how I'm distributing it.
And I'm still working on the map. It's been a very long time now...

Mish-gan

In order to properly organize and conduct the competition – a team is needed! If we're going to put in the effort, we shouldn't drag it out!
WHAT IS NEEDED TO RUN THE COMPETITION:
1. At least one more competent organizer!
2. Moderator assistance in correctly placing the regulatory information on the page, including:
- First, how do you create a topic or page?
- How do you register contestants through the site?
- How do you create a database of submitted maps on the site? The idea is to collect all the maps first and then display them on the site at the same time for evaluation in the multiplayer and single-player categories. This is a key point to ensure everyone is on a level playing field!
- How do you track plagiarism?
- How do you conduct the voting after the maps are posted (how do you create a voting window)? This is also very important – during the voting, the overall results should not be displayed immediately; the results should be hidden until the winner is announced (for suspense), but it's also possible to do without it!
- Assistance in promoting this competition to attract participants and forum visitors!

MY PROPOSAL FOR THE TIMELINE OF THE COMPETITION (let's discuss):
1. Announce (open) registration for participants from January 4th to January 31st, 2010.
2. Post the rules and requirements for the maps on the site from February 1st to February 7th, 2010.
3. Simultaneously, starting on February 1st, 2010, the countdown begins for contestants to build maps – let's say the deadline will be 30 days, so the final submission date will be March 2nd (from February 1st, 2010 to March 2nd, 2010).
4. From March 3rd, 2010 to March 7th, 2010, tally the results!
5. Announce the results on March 8th!

A HUGE REQUEST, IF ANYONE WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ORGANIZATION – PLEASE CONTACT ME! I CAN'T DO IT ALONE!

I don't even know...
- First, how do you create a topic or page?
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You can create a topic. Make it important. Or just a regular topic.

How do you register contestants through the site?

Whoever submits an application will participate. We won't make it complicated.
More precisely, they will submit the finished maps. That's probably better.

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- How do you create a database of submitted maps on the site? The idea is to collect all the maps first and then display them on the site at the same time for evaluation in the multiplayer and single-player categories. This is a key point to ensure everyone is on a level playing field!

What if the maps are not uploaded on the same day? Will that affect the competition results?
Although... It's better if they are uploaded on the same day, you're right.
Let everyone upload all the maps on the same day in one post.
Will a judge evaluate them? Or will it be by voting?
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- How do you track plagiarism?

But that, my friend, is a tough one.
I'll say it once, I don't know... (Let's hope for the integrity of the contestants)
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- How do you conduct the voting after the maps are posted (how do you create a voting window)? This is also very important – during the voting, the overall results should not be displayed immediately; the results should be hidden until the winner is announced (for suspense), but it's also possible to do without it!

We need to think about it... Probably the best option is voting. Although... Judging is also not bad.
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Assistance in promoting this competition to attract participants and forum visitors!

My friend, Mish-gan, you know what I was thinking. Shouldn't you write a letter to the Creator (Admin)? He's a good person.
If you intend to stay on our wonderful forum for a long time, you should be a moderator in this section.
I can write it too. If you need me to do something instead, just tell me. I agree, if there are already many moderators in these sections.
Then become a moderator instead of me in all the sections where I am. And that's all the sections on mapmaking.
And if you can become a moderator in another section, that's great. Just apply. We've agreed on you. I'll 100% support you.

Евангелие от Иоанна, 1.5: Lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt. Свет во тьме светит, и тьма не объяла его.

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Небо

12/10/2009 5:36 PM UTC

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I think it would be better if participants sent their maps to the organizer, and he would upload them all at once on a specific day. It would also be good to make the voting anonymous, so that forum members vote for the maps, not for the people who created them. This is how it was done when the best artist contest was held; it eliminates the voting logic like: "this person has good maps, so I'll vote for them." Although I doubt anyone would do that, it's still worth considering.

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Dyrman

12/10/2009 7:31 PM UTC

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Why are you setting deadlines? You can prove later that the map was made in a month, not a year ago... I think it's easier to post your best map, but only one map from each author for this nomination, regardless of the year it was released.
Pros:
1) The quality of the maps will be better! Why do we need a bunch of unfinished, rough drafts?
2) There will be more maps!
3) More people will know about the map. Consequently, there will be more votes.
Cons:
1) There will be fewer new maps.
2) The spirit of competition will be completely different.
3) The meaning of the contest changes.

Judging by the conclusions, everything can be solved in different ways.
But the main drawback of this type of contest, as it is, is the low quality of the maps!
But I'm not imposing anything...